Talk:Charmed/Archive 9

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This archive covers the discussions begun between approximately January 2007 and May 2007.

Contents 1 2007 January 1.1 Books 1.2 Second Templete 1.3 Wikiproject 1.4 Some mention on how Wiccans take the tv series? 1.5 Family Trees 1.6 Guest Stars 1.7 Charmed season summaries 2 2007 February 2.1 Charmed 2.2 Heads up 3 2007 March 3.1 Good article? 4 2007 April 4.1 Timeframe? 4.2 Commas 5 2007 May 5.1 New noticeboard 5.2 Episodes

2007 January

Books

There are books for the show out there. I was thinking that an article should be made to list the books with their covers shown. Opinions? --Meraculas 15:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You are more than welcome to create such an article, but as they are not considered part of the Charmed continuity, I would recommend only a "See Also" link on the main page to link to that article. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 19:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I made the page. I wasn't able to get the titles for all the books, or front cover art for all the books (I found some for the ones with Prue). That plus my hands are cramping. I have a layout for the stuff that I haven't got yet. I also placed a canon statement at the bottom. Hope it will do. Anyone can continue it, I will try to continue tomorrow. Check it out at List of Charmed books. I wasn't sure if I should, but I did, put a link to the page on the template and in a see also on the main page. --Meraculas 23:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The page will be deleted soon. It is nothing but copyright vios. If you are gonna make a page like that do not copy things directly from other sources. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I cleaned the page up, and it seems to no longer be on a "speedy deletion" list. Sorry about the problem. --Meraculas 15:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Second Templete

I kind of like the template for Charmed (I am more used to the one for Buffy and Angel so it seems really weird not having so much information on it). I was wondering, if not adding some characters to the current template is bad, why not make a templete just for characters. You can see a suggestion for this template on my profile page Meraculas. On the List of Charmed family and friends Richard Montana is redirected to it, but he doesn't have a blurb. Also of the people on it, Victor Bennett should at least have his own page, he is the girl's father. Also, if Hannah Webster has her own page then why shouldn't Kyle and Richard. They both had an impact on the charmed ones (specifically Paige's but who is counting) life. Sorry, rant. What do you think? --Meraculas 15:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I really like the template, well done Meraculas! It would be a nice addition, however, I would prefer a template which included each article regarding 'Charmed' AND the characters. As for the "rant" on Richard, Kyle, etc., I personally think that the Charmed family and the Charmed friends should be on seperate pages. Definately, the friends blurbs need some work as they appear vague and undetailed. Also, I agree that Victor needs an article to himself.

Good work, Meraculas. --Danny 16:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

While it is visually nice, the current template has come about as a result of much discussion as to what is needed and what is not. While it certainly isn't perfect, that general layout should probably remain. Also, while I understand where you come from regarding character articles, the idea is to keep minor characters from sprawling out into the ether, and instead have them on a single page. Those that have their own articles are probably the result of some overzealous fan creating them. Both Hannah and Rex should certainly be moved to List of Charmed evil beings. Quite frankly, the number of minor articles that have been created, as well as the organization of many other Charmed-related articles, bothers me somewhat. It really is a mess. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 19:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Im thinking of proposing a Charmed wikiproject, this way we can get more people to keep everything organized and sort out the minor articles. Would any of you guys be interested in a charmed wikiproject? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I don't see why not. After all Buffy etc. have their own project along with various others, so I feel a Charmed Wikiproject would be a good idea. It would allow people to see where articles could be improved etc.--NeilEvans 15:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and make a proposal here. This may help us keeps up the quality on all the articles. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Some mention on how Wiccans take the tv series?

I've been looking through the pages, and I see no mention of a connection between Charmed and Wicca, from which the tv series draws most of its stuff from. Every Wicca site I go to mentioned, in one way or another, how Wicca is NOT like Charmed. Even the Book of Shadows and Grimoire pages for Charmed make no mention to their reallife counterparts, and how they are so different. Just curious if this was cut out of the article for a reason. Disinclination 05:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

To my knowledge nothing of this nature was ever cut from the article, just that it really holds no relevance, at least in my eye. This is fiction, just the same as Buffy or The Craft were fiction, and should easily be recognized as such. If you can think of a decent way of presenting this information, then that'd be great; however, you might want to post it here before adding it to the main article, just to see if there are any other opinions. I really don't think it's necessary, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to clarify the issue. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 07:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless you can find a source that relates Charmed to actual wiccan practices, anything you write for it will most likely be removed as OR, which is why nothing exists comparing the 2, besides the fact, like hunster said, its fiction. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 10:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I am wiccan and my take on the show is that I love it, but the way the show shows Wicca is way off from the religon.--Dil 23:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed; I am as well. While there is a concern that outside individuals might get the wrong impression about Wicca, I don't know that it's a big enough deal to worry about. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Family Trees

So I went and played with the family tree template some more, and finally got it figured out to work well. I made two versions, the first is the more "standard" layout, but gets cramped if you try to add the next generation into it. The other option is a different layout, and much longer (can't really use that as a footer or anything) but also much easier to read the different generations. Any input/thoughts? --Maelwys 14:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I feel #2 is much nicer. While it takes up considerable room, it presents the data in logical, orderly, and infinitely expandable format. Either one of them is really too large to be used as a footer anyway, so might as well pick the one that's easiest to read. Refresh my memory, where was this going to go? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 19:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

They're both really great. Good going, Maelwys. One request would be to add P. Baxter and Gordon Johnson as Penny's parents. Other than that, both are easy to read and neat - I like 'em! Additionally, I think that one should be added to the List of Family and Friends article or on a seperate page of it's own. →Danny 19:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

One possibility would be to add it to a section that can remain hidden until someone clicks on it, similar to how people hide infoboxes or other material. This might be necessary for adding it to a page, given their lengths. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Piper and leo's third Child is called Melinda.

Penny Johnson

Allen Halliwell

Victor Bennet

Patty Halliwell

Sam Wilder

Prue Halliwell

Paige Matthews

Henry Mitchell

Phoebe Halliwell

Coop

Leo Wyatt

Piper Halliwell

Wyatt Matthew Halliwell

Christopher Perry Halliwell

Penelope Johnson

Allen Halliwell

Patricia Halliwell

Victor Bennet

Prudence "Prue" Halliwell

Piper Halliwell

Leo Wyatt

Wyatt Matthew Halliwell

Christopher Perry Halliwell

Unnamed Daughter

Phoebe Halliwell

Coop

Unnamed Daughter

Unnamed Daughter

Unnamed Daughter

Samuel Wilder

Paige Matthews

Henry Mitchell

Unnamed Daughter

Unnamed Daughter

Henry Jr.

Guest Stars

Can we please come up with a standard for people being listed as guest stars. Im tired of going to a page and see some guy who played gaurd 1 as a guest star. Not every person who is in an episode is a "star". And on some pages Leo,Daryl and Cole are listed as guest starts on others they're stars, what I've been doing is putting the guest stars (ones who play a significant role) in the infobox under guest stars, and making a section for "episode stars", that lists the sisters, and leo,cole and darryl (and any other major recurring characters ie chris, wyatt, billie, ect). What do you guys think? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. However, one issue I have is that the actor who played adult Wyatt should only be considered as a guest star. Only actors in the credits should be given "episode star" status. The same applies to Marnette Patterson (as Christy), Finola Hughes, Jennifer Rhodes, the Simmons twins and so on. Other than that, it all seems justified. →Danny 11:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Finola Hughes, Jennifer Rhodes, and the Simmons twins, are in so many episodes they should be under episode stars. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 21:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that isn't how the series classifies them. Rather than creating our own categories, lets stick to how the series handles them. If they're in the main opening credits, they are Episode stars; if in the secondary opening credits or end credits, they are Guest stars. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 22:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hows this, only list them if they played a signficant role in the episode. Instead of listing every minor demon the pops up for 2 seconds before being vanquished, only list them if the sisters looked them up in the book or something similar. We don't need "demon #1 and demon #2" listed under guest stars. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 13:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Charmed season summaries

Yet another rant on my quest to perfect the Charmed articles! I was looking through Charmed season summaries, and I was wondering what you guys think about doing a major clean up of the summarys (referencing some of it too) and then merging it into List of Charmed episodes this way all of it is in one nice and tidy article. What do you guys think? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed fully. There is no need for separate articles to exist, when each season header in List of Charmed episodes can easily be appended with a brief explanation of the major events of the season. The hit-by-hit analysis currently existing in Charmed season summaries needs to be quashed without mercy (I don't even have it on my watch list, I care so little about it). -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 07:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

2007 February

Charmed

as of today season 1 is being rerun also why have the themes beenn trimmed down? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.195.3.199 (talk) 14:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Being rerun on TNT? In Canada? Okay, they've done that many times since airing in syndication. What themes are being trimmed? Please explain what you are talking about...it is rather abstract. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, inlame man's term when the episode starts there's the prologue followed by a 15 second opening and then it changes all the arial views that have been a trademark of the series.74.195.3.199 02:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I think I see what you are saying, though you didn't say where this is occuring. What relevance does this have to the article? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 08:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

In the USA.74.195.3.199 14:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

What he's saying that when Charmed is air on TNT, the opening sequence is cut. It now only shows the show name, then it skips to the actor credits, then skips to either a commercial or the opening of the show. I've also been wondering why its doing that. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 22:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Heads up

User:FergieFan101 is changing the names of several episodes. I am not a fan so maybe I'm just missing something but as far as I know, we tend to follow tv.com conventions and other places listings. Could someone look into this? You guys know more about it than I do. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 12:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed he is recreating a bunch of articles under the name the WB used to promote the episodes. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 17:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

We'll just have to keep an eye on this fellow for the time being. I see you've reverted the redirects, and I'm redirected the new pages, so things should be fixed now. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 18:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. Well I'm glad that I wasn't seeing things. :) --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 06:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

2007 March

Good article?

Should we apply or is it not that good? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Hrmm seems pretty good. Maybe put it up for review and see if anyone notices something we haven't. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

2007 April

Timeframe?

Also, the time frame of Victor Bennett leaving his wife, the girls' mother, was changed occasionally throughout the series.

I've seen several articles which suggest there is no clear evidence the time frame change. Rather, it's possibility Victor left his wife not long after the scene in Forever Charmed (finale) since one of the other episodes had them seperate not long after that. Then it appears he may have reconciled temporarily for Christmas but split up again later. Unless there are irreconciable differences, I don't think we can say the time frame changed Nil Einne 21:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Commas

The software automatically adds commas as the wiki dates are linked/wikified and rendered from the default settings, this does not mean they should not be included... indeed they should, as per the MoS. Not including them means that forks of this article will also not include commas. Matthew 00:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Please feel free to show me where it says we should have commas. I don't remember seeing anything in MoS about using them. And whats the point of having the software add them if they still want us to type them in? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think you need to take a refresher course at the WP:MOS for dates where is clearly states "Adding a comma between month/day and year is unnecessary, as it has no effect on what is seen". So your entire argument is null :) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually that was a recently added (non-discussed) edit.[1] It seem like a possible contentious change. "add^[sic] them if they still want us to type them in": the software does this automatically to wikified dates, anybody who forks this article and does not use MediaWiki will have bad dates, not to mention dates should be correct... regardless if the software fixes editor sloppiness. Matthew 01:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The edit was made by an admin who has more authority on the matter than you do. End of story. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter who made the edit, nobody has "more authority", you obviously misunderstand the concept of what an admins role is. EOF. Matthew 17:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

No sense arguing about it here, just leave a message on that MoS talk page and see if that addition is considered policy or just a rogue edit. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

2007 May

New noticeboard

A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Episodes

There is a discussion going on over at the LOE over the redirection of the articles. Just a note to inform all the editors that this will effect. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 21:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)