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I am trying to find information about an old picture called "Charlotte Corday Before Her Execution (Victor Von Schubert)" I can be reached at haastyle@cox.net Thanks hh

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[edit] Mysogyny

What is that about "Revolutionary mysoginism?" Wasn't the Revolution a more liberal force, promoting more rights for women?

  • I'm not sure what I think of the phrase (BTW, in the article it is correctly "mysogyny", not "mysoginism"). I do believe that women in general were somewhat better off in terms of rights, especially economic rights, after the Revolution, but there were probably more truly influential women under the monarchy than during the Revolution. Olympe de Gouges was an impressive figure, but was guillotined, as was Madame Roland. Of course, so many of the revolutionaries were guillotined that it is hard to say that proves much. I'd love to know where the phrase came from; I doubt it was pulled out of thin air; I'd much rather see it quoted from whoever said it. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:16, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recently linked

At a quick skim, the recently linked Marat, premier de Corday looks like historical ("Marat, first of Corday"), by Gilles Marchal (in French) looks like it may be historical fiction. I gave it about 2 minutes and couldn't be sure. My French is not good enough for me to make a proper evaluation quickly. Could someone with good French please have a look at this and let us know just what it is (the title is by no means self-explanatory) so we can work out whether it should be linked? Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:13, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

  • I gave it a bit more of a read and I think it is a somewhat fictionalized history (fictionalized at least in that it includes presumably imaginary dialogue) and that it is quite hostile to Marat, whose rhetoric it compares to Goebbels'. I don't think it's very useful, either here or in the article on Marat. Its first appearance in Wikipedia was an edit last month in the French Wikipedia by fr:Utilisateur:Adrienne who says on her personal page in the French Wikipedia, "je suis une fan inconditionnelle et fidèle de Gilles Marchal" (apparently for his singing) which doesn't exactly convince me that she would be the most objective judge of his writing. I'll give another day or two for someone to weigh in and explain why this belongs linked in the English-language Wikipedias (other than in the article on Gilles Marchal, where it would be fine), but if none is forthcoming, I will probably delete from both places it has been linked. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:07, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
    • No one is responding, so I will remove both here and from the article on Marat. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:27, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

It has been re-added, again anonymously. Possible linkspam: User seems to have been adding a bunch of links to one site: Contributions. Remove? - Jmabel | Talk 04:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

please, don't remove this links, They result from a very serious French site and can bring a new light on these articles concerning of the French events. It is not a question of linkspam. thank you in advance . Adrienne93 08:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

So Adrienne, what exactly is it? At a quick read, it looks like historical fiction. If you want it kept, please explain it in a way that gives some indication why someone would want to look at it. - Jmabel | Talk 04:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Jmabel to allow me to present these articles to you. Excuse me by advance, I do not write English very well. Let to me very introduce to abort the author of these articles to you: it acts of Gilles Marchal who is a very talented French artist years 1970; It does not sing any more but on the other hand, it writes very good texts on various events of the French history. These texts are not fictionalized, insofar as all that he writes true, is checked thanks to very precise research with the public records.
However, Gilles Marchal introduced there a new element: humour. All that is told true, and is often ignored of the public, but simply treated with much humour. By the French wikipédia, there were many people who adhered to this style of writing, in particular a club of professor of history and librarian of the university of Grenoble, which take for pretexte the texts of Gilles Marchal to feed their debates. I add that there is no financial aspect with these presentations. The site is completely free access. I think sincerely that these bonds, not only do not withdraw anything with quality articles, but can give a new and different approach to the manner of approaching them.
With regard to the aspect of the page (that you find very ugly), I am quite sorry, I am not very gifted in design, however, the texts can be read on a file pdf created to more easily print the accounts suggested. I thank you by advance for again considering with benevolence the maintenance of these bonds in the English wikipédia. In a friendly way. Adrienne93 16:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Nothing here changes my view that these don't belong, but I personally won't delete these links myself, since I've said my piece. I'm going to bring the question to the administrators' notice board, and let them work out what to do. - Jmabel | Talk 17:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Error?

This article says Marat had a lot of Girondists arrested in 1789. This seems very unlikely - too early a year, and I don't think Marat was in a position to order anyone arrested. The Girondists article doesn't mention this either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chelydra (talk • contribs) 13 July 2006.

Indeed. I don't think there were any Girondists as such in 1789. - Jmabel | Talk 06:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The Girondins were actually arrested on 31 May 1793! :) Lizzie202.137.86.129 07:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Essential texts

Thanks for every one for this article. I have a note: why there is internal or external link to two essential texts for this story, these are:

  • The "Speech to the French who are Friends of Law and Peace" by Mary
  • Maximilien Robespierre's words before the execution of King Louis XVI that were linked tp Mary's words "I killed one man to save 100000".

Thank you --Thameen 19:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Mary?? - Jmabel | Talk 03:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Marie-Anne-Charlotte, I guess. --Wetman 04:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grisly souvenir

"It has been suggested that the skull of Corday remained in the possession of the Bonaparte family and their descendents (via the royal marriage of Marie Bonaparte) throughout the twentieth century." Seems to me that if this is not promptly cited, it should be removed. At best it is curiosa, but uncited it is not even that. - Jmabel | Talk 05:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)