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I am no history scholar but how could Charles the Bald be suceeded by Louis II if it says he recieved the crown AFTER Louis II's death? --24.68.196.173 06:26, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There are many Louises here. The Louis II that died in 875 was Charles' nephew Louis II, Holy Roman Emperor. The Louis that succeeded Charles was his son Louis II of France, a.k.a. the Stammerer. I've rewritten it a bit to make it clearer. Markussep 15:54, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Can someone explain why he was called "the Bald"? Was he?

He clearly needed a nickname because both his famous grandfather and his son were called Charles. I'm not sure if this is more than legend, but the story goes that Charles had a poem written that praised baldness as a virtue. He must have had a reason for that. Now it would be interesting to know if he got the nickname before or after the poem... --Chl 20:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles' 'baldness'

I'm a history student at Sheffield in England and I think I can answer that one. The epithet 'the Bald' is a sort of early medieval humour; it probably means that Charles was really hirsuite, with a full head of hair and a beard to boot!

Do you have a reference for that? -- Chl 15:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles' 'baldness'

Not specifically, but my seminar leader assures me that's the case and she's very knowledgable on early medieval England and Francia.

Another funny name given to a "Charles" --66.218.23.59 01:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The generally accepted explanation is that Charles' baldnes did nor refer to his hair at all. The true reason is in the article: "He was born on 13 June 823 in Frankfurt, when his elder brothers were already adults and had been assigned their own regna, or subkingdoms, by their father." Charles was bald or 'naked' because there was nothing left for him to inherit. In German he is called 'Karl der Kahle'. 'kahl' translates as 'bald', 'bare', 'bleak', 'naked'. 141.13.8.14 13:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem sentence

Reading through the article I came across the following sentence ...

The attempts made by Louis the Pious to assign Charles a subkingdom, first Alemannia (829), then Italy (in 832, after a rising of Lothair), and then the country between the Meuse and the Pyrenees (in 832, after the rising of Pepin I of Aquitaine).

Attempts were what, successful? unsuccessful? dogged with difficulty until ultimately successful? Lacking sources myself I am obviously unable to correct it so I am posting this in the hope that someone can confirm and edit this sentence. Tyhopho 15:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed. Srnec 23:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)