Talk:Charles V of France

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Again, a request to try to stick to the format we've been using for constency's sake. JHK

I am again asking you to read comments -- especially as I took the time to provide the personal information you requested. I am not the only person who has asked that you observe how we've been doing historical biography articles, so that the ones you write are consistent. Also, I will ask you to tone down the modifiers to mantain a more neutral picture -- at present, most of your articles are opinionated in ways that do not necessarily represent current scholarship. For example "his reign was marred by the Hundred Years War" is fairly meaningless (it doesn't really say anything) and is more opinion than fact. It could be rewritten to say (if this is what you mean) that "in terms of x, his reign suffered due to the distractions posed by the HYW."

Although this is an open content encyclopedia, there is a community here -- please try to get to know your neighbors and work with them. JHK

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Well well well. I just discovered this Talk Page. I have nothing to do with the above, but I would just suggest that everybody relax a bit, at the very least for the sake of effeciency. We are all working on this project, some of us spending a substantial amount of time on it, so let us work in the same direction.

On a lighter note, I was wondering wether Charles V was the first Dauphin as the article suggests, or if the title was first held by John II of France, as the Dauphin article suggests. Maybe a specialist out there could solve this inconsistency. - User:Olivier

Just removed the quotations section, because the quotation about the different languages was said by Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, also Charles I of spain, and Charles II of naples

[edit] Tard-Venus

This term is a bit misleading, unclear and it doesn't link anywhere. I suggest changing to Routiers.

Sure -- do you have a citation? "Tard-Venus" is the term used most frequently by Barbara Tuchman, who based A Distant Mirror on Froissart's work. The term is contemporary and does specifically describe the mercenaries in France at the time. But if something better exists, by all means use it.--Idols of Mud 16:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I have read the Tuchman book and a few citable others. Not sure where I got Routieres from. The are also called "The Free Companies". The period of France of Charles V, called the Tard-Venus situation ,the curse of the free companies. CJ DUB 03:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Got it. They discuss all the terms in The Hundred Years War, by Desmond Seward. Routier (or (routières, Fr.) is interchangable with the Free Companies. Interestingly there is a page for neither on wiki. Maybe wiki french? CJ DUB 03:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. That does make it clearer. Maybe we could keep Tard-Venus as a nickname? I wrote a lot of the text here, so I'm probably partial.  :) --Idols of Mud 13:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

French wiki site for routiers

Personally, I'd rather do a rewrite. I don't think anybody would recognized Tard-Venus unless they read the book. The more recognized word is routiers. Keep it for fun, since it was coined during the reign of Charles V. More importantly, what is said about these guys on the Hundred Years War page? Can we have a routiers page/stub made up?

Picture

The image currently on this page is of Charles VI's coronation from the Grandes Chroniques de France. Charles VI was crowned as a teenager, but Charles V was well into his twenties by his sacre. I have tried to change the image but it doesn't seem to have worked. Somebody reinstated the incorrect image after I deleted it.

May I suggest we replace the current image with the Bondol frontispiece? It is one of many beautiful likenesses of Charles V, and is freely available on the web. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.139.100 (talk) 20:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John vs. Jean

John II is often referred here as "Jean". Lets decide on the better version and stick to it, for the sake of consistency. See also Talk:John II of France

Top.Squark (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crusade in Hungary?

The article claims that "to attempt to rid the land of the Tard-Venus, Charles first hired them for an attempted crusade into Hungary..." On what grounds did he plan a crusade into Christian Hungary? Was there a conflict between Hungary and the pope at the time? Top.Squark (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)