Talk:Charles Robert Jenkins
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[edit] Charles' aged face
He's only 65, yet he looks 20-25 years older.
Contrast that with Jesse Jackson, born 1941, who looks like he's still in his 40s!
So why does Charles' face look much older than he is? --Shultz 13:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- lol! Living a very hardlife in a thirdworld nation for nearly 40 years would wear you down to. Jesse Jackson's, as much as he is to be admired, can't exactly claim the same circumstances. Shadowrun 21:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Life in North Korea isn't easy. Clean water isn't easy to come by, food is scarce that and his heavy drinking all will age any one.FLJuJitsu 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- On the contrary, clean water is abundant in North Korea. There is very little industrial pollution because there is very little industry. I have stood on the banks of the Taedong River in the heart of Pyongyang and looked at stones on the bottom of the river. Water is extremely clean! I suggest Jenkins looked so haggard when he first departed North Korea due to years of smoking and drinking. He confessed that in the year immediately prior to departing for Indonesia he spent most of the time drunk on the floor of his quarters. Don’t blame the water -- clean water might be the only thing in North Korea easy to come by.
- Clear water is not the same thing as clean water. As Jenkins explained in his book, the river water was often contaminated with human waste, making it undrinkable. In any case, I don't think his appearance has anything to do with the water. Jenkins seems to be haggard because of a combination of biology and hard living—smoking and drinking in the large quantities he admits to will do that to you. Joe Dresnok, in Crossing the Line, says that when he first met Jenkins, from afar he thought he was an old man, because he looked so wrinkled. But Jenkins was 24 years old! So Jenkins likely had a tendency to wrinkle, anyway. What gets me is how old his wife looks. Japanese people are envied for so often looking younger than their age. They DID have hard living, and that very likely contributed to their aged appearances, and took a toll on their health. Abshier died at age 40 of a heart attack and Parrish died at age 52 after years of kidney problems. Dresnok has major heart and liver problems, as explained in Crossing the Line. The producer said in an interview that he didn't think he'd live much longer (but he's still alive, and now in his mid-60s). And when Jenkins went to Indonesia, the Japanese doctors were very worried about his health due to "botched" prostate surgery. Jenkins definitely looks better in the videos of him from Japan.QuizzicalBee (talk) 14:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
- On the contrary, clean water is abundant in North Korea. There is very little industrial pollution because there is very little industry. I have stood on the banks of the Taedong River in the heart of Pyongyang and looked at stones on the bottom of the river. Water is extremely clean! I suggest Jenkins looked so haggard when he first departed North Korea due to years of smoking and drinking. He confessed that in the year immediately prior to departing for Indonesia he spent most of the time drunk on the floor of his quarters. Don’t blame the water -- clean water might be the only thing in North Korea easy to come by.
- Life in North Korea isn't easy. Clean water isn't easy to come by, food is scarce that and his heavy drinking all will age any one.FLJuJitsu 13 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] missing stuff
60 minutes interviewed him. From this link I found out that...
"They also assigned him a Korean woman, with whom he was supposed to have sex twice a month. "The leaders almost tell her when to do it, and I got in a big fight one time over it," recalls Jenkins.ÊÊ "I told [the leader], 'It's none of his business if I want sleep with her. She wants to sleep -- we sleep.' 'No -- two times a month'" He says he was severely punished for talking back. "That's the worst beating I ever got -- over that," he tells Pelley, showing a scar where he says his teeth came through his lower lip."
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"When Jenkins finally stepped outside the North Korean culture after 40 years, he was most surprised to see women in the Army, limits on where you could smoke and black policemen. He had never heard of 60 MINUTES and thought Life magazine would be the place where he would tell his story."
Maybe somebody can figure out how to link to that; hopefully Google will cover it soon enough. It was titled:
U.S. ARMY DESERTER DESCRIBES 40 YEARS IN NORTH KOREA HELL
Thu Oct 20 2005 14:43:07 ET
This may do:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/20/60minutes/main959455.shtml
AlbertCahalan 02:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
