Talk:Charles Graner

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	Charles Graner is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Article milestones Date Process Result July 1, 2004 Featured article candidate Promoted July 1, 2004 Peer review Reviewed November 30, 2005 Featured article review Demoted Current Status: Former featured article

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Talk:Charles Graner/Archive 1

Here are my suggestions that might improve it: In the article is written: "While in Iraq, Pvt. Lynndie England, also implicated in the prisoner scandal, allegedly became pregnant by him." This is excellent English but not an easy sentence for non-native speakers and my opinion is that wikipedia should also be not too hard to read for advanced non-native speakers of English. Well of course you may have another opinion. But what about this: "While in Iraq, Pvt. Lynndie England, also being accused of misconduct in the prisoner scandal, allegedly became pregnant by him." Not simpler English but easier to read for non-native speakers. Laudaka's talk page 09:29, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Should it also be moved down to the "Abu Ghraib timeline" Rich Farmbrough 00:20, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

"Three key witnesses refused to testify during a secret hearing against Graner..." Was it a hearing against Graner? Rich Farmbrough 00:15, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Charles Graner 2 Edits in last six months 3 Clean up 4 Name of his wife 5 What a butthead 6 Pohl or Pohn 7 Missing citations 8 Oh noes a lawsuit 9 Incorrect High School on Page 10 New infobox 11 England interview 12 Prostitute accusations

[edit] Charles Graner

If we must have Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) (which I dispute) then we must also have Charles_Graner (no pictures). Jooler 11:14, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edits in last six months

I am just a little suspicious that some dubious edits may have happened since February 2005. Many details of names and places, details that I should have thought would be well known from early days, have changed since February - see this diff. I don't know enough about this chap to say which version is right: should I be concerned? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:48, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

• I added a clean-up tag because this article is garbled and confusing, and because it has lots of conflicting information, bad text-formatting, and the different points in his life are not in chronological order. Jdcooper 17:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of his wife

Before the last line in 'Birth and early life': "In June 1990, he married Alicia Q. Donahue in Downey, California."

First line in 'Domestic disputes and Persian Gulf War': "On June 15, 1990, Graner married Staci M. Dean, a 19-year-old from Ohiopyle."

It looks like this is the same marriage, but then what really is her name?

[edit] What a butthead

Why did they drop charges? I would've kept charges, pressed them, and handed these guys over to the Iraqis, to do what they wish with them. --Yancyfry jr

[edit] Pohl or Pohn

Is the judge's name Pohl or Pohn, both names seem to be used.

[edit] Missing citations

Where, oh where are the citations for this article? There is ample information available on what Graner did at Abu Ghraib, but those who have edited this page seem to have been too lazy to cite sources. Also, when the article was in featured status, were the current uncited references to Graner being a sadist part of it? Unless you're citing the professional opinion of a mental health expert who has had time to examine Graner and diagnose him as a sadist, you're asking for a lawsuit from the subject of this biograpical article. Being justifiably outraged over what the man and his fellow soldiers did to other human beings is no excuse for sloppy writing and editing. Rafa8134 22:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oh noes a lawsuit

"you're asking for a lawsuit from the subject of this biograpical article."

Yeah that's right Mr. janitor on steroids is going to sue Wikipedia, he'll be too busy with his new job cleaning ben hurs shotgun collection and wrapping himself in the new butchers apron.

[edit] Incorrect High School on Page

You might want to check your sources. I believe that Mr. Graner went to Baldwin High School, not Whittier as the article states.

[edit] New infobox

I've added the Criminal infobox to this article.

After some thought, I've decided to move this infobox up right below the Military Person infobox at the top. My reasoning for this is that he wouldn't even be known to the public, or worthy of an entry, unless he did these things. This is different from people like Martha Stewart and Michael Vick, who have their Criminal infoboxes down in the relevant section, as they are known for other things (and were well-known before they committed crimes).

I can't decide whether the Military Person or the Criminal infobox should serve as the "main" (first) infobox in this article... he's not known for his military merit, so I feel the Criminal one should go first, but... what do you all think? --Shadowlink1014 05:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

He must get to HELL!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chimerarc (talk • contribs) 06:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC) 

[edit] England interview

An interview with Lynndie England was published a few days ago and is available here. I think it is worth reviewing as an additional source for this article. Jayen466 14:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prostitute accusations

There are two accusations listed regarding an "accused prostitute" and another being forced to expose themselves. Neither of these are shown with a source WP:BLP must be followed; if these two accusations don't have sources attached to them, they could be seen as libelous. 23skidoo (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)