Talk:Charles Borromeo
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[edit] Borromeo
Is this man a member of the aristocratic Borromeo family after whom the Borromean rings are named? Michael Hardy 20:45, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Yes. (We should probably have an article on the family. There is a brief outline here, but it’s too vague about quite what the Borromeo State was to be quickly summarized into a satisfactory stub.) —Ian Spackman 22:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Is Karlskirche in Vienna named after him? Irvin Seah 21.54 AEST 16 Nov 05.
- According to Karlskirche, it is indeed. —Ian Spackman 22:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV check
This article reads like a personal essay on Charles Borromeo - and a very favourable one. I think this is a result of erlying heavily on EB 1911 as a source. But some cleaning up and rebalancing is needed. PiCo 06:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
‘Hagiography’ was the word that came to mind as I read it. -- Ian Spackman 22:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Saint Charles Boormeo
The article explains that San Carlo Borromeo is how he is known in Italian. But in what language is he known as Saint Charles Boormeo? —Ian Spackman 15:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- English, there are tons of churches called St. Charles Borromeo in the USA. The Scalabrian order is actually called Missionaries of St. Charles Borromeo, they are all over the world I believe. Williamb 14:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am afraid that you missed my (not particularly interesting) joke. See #the solemn Mass of the deu, below. Or check the edit history. (But personally I wouldn’t bother—it’s not that amusing.) —Ian Spackman 17:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Excessively Long Sections
Seems that the main section of this article could really do with some subheadings? It's enormous! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.23.150 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 7 November 2006
[edit] Rename
This page was renamed without any discussion. Please restore Charles Borromeo (Italian saint) to its original name. Even if the other article about the Indian athlete is found to be notable, the renaming should be handled differently and not simply by a single user's fiat. For example, perhaps the {{moveto}} template should have been used to alert people that a major chnage to a major saint was about to be made. --evrik (talk) 14:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ‘the solemn Mass of the deu’
Anyone know what that means? I would guess that there has been a vandalistic deletion at some point. But, if not, the phrase should be explained. —Ian Spackman 19:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- I was wrong—I was guessing that ‘deu’ was short for deus plus something or other. But it wasn’t vandalism, just an unconsidered (probably un-read!) mport of a scanning error in one of the Catholic Encyclopedia on-line versions by the late-lamented User:Fastifex. [1] (The same edit that turned the the subject of the article into the idiotic Saint Charles Boormeo). I'll remove the apposite sentence(s). —Ian Spackman 17:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TOO LONG AND HAGIOGRAPHIC
If you compare this entry with the entry on C. Borromeo in the Italian Wikipedia you'll see the latter is about half the length and much more to the point. I suggest we remove the last two paragraphs and add some mention of his famous role in burning witches in Switzerland. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia (online) mentions this: "He began in the Mesoleina [sic] Valley; here not only was there heresy to be fought, but also witchcraft and sorcery, and at Roveredo it was discovered that the provost, or rector, was the foremost in sorceries. Charles spent considerable time in setting right this terrible state of things." The Italian version of wikipedia gives more detail. What follows is a summary of the information it contains, and I suggest we add it to the entry: "Borromeo combated Protestantism in the Swiss valleys. On a pastoral visit to Val Mesolcina in 1583 he had 150 people tried for witchcraft, about a hundred of them being women. This is one of the best-documented witchcraft trials in the period. Many of them were tortured to extract confessions. The trials ended by finding eleven people guilty (ten of them women), and they were burnt at the stake." I haven't added the above information to the entry, because I would like others to comment on it first. Sadleir 10:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Sadleir 21.30 6.01..2007
- Uh, it is the biography of a saint you know. Also, I see no reason not to include that information, as long as it's well cited. Why'd you put it on the talk page rather than in the article? Ford MF 11:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
