Talk:Characters in the Southern Victory series

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[edit] Separate character pages?

Being as all these characters are derived from the same set of novels, I don't see any reason they shouldn't all share a single article. None of these characters are like Sherlock Holmes or Tarzan, who have become well known outside of the fictional works they originated in. Anyone who's heard of Abner Dowling or Ferdinand Koenig has done so because they read these books.

The other reason is because the articles on this series have already reached the fancruft stage. We don't need separate articles on minor characters and plotpoints. I'm a huge fan of Turtledove's but I think we should act responsibly and limit ourselves before other people step in and tell us we've gone too far. MK2 17:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

-I am also a fan of Turtledoves series, and was wondering why all major characters couldn't just be done as Moss is, with info on the large page but his own in-depth page as well.- -SAS 17 September 2005 17:46 Eastern-

  • Because this is a general encyclopedia not a encyclopedia of Harry Turtledove characters. There are hundreds of books published every year and there's no reason to make an encyclopedia entry here for every fictional character who's ever existed. We should look at the big picture and summarize the major events concerning major characters, not try to repeat every page from a nine book series. I don't want us to end up like the fan of the TV sitcom Friends who wrote an article on the furniture in Chandler and Joey's apartment. MK2 21:18, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia, nevertheless, is extensible, and it has the ability to provide services a general encyclopedia might not. I see this article as providing useful background to people who have not read the previous books in the series, but want to catch up. Having said that, I don't want a number of separate articles on fictional characters in the 191 universe; I think the Moss article should be brought into here and a redirect put on Jonathan Moss. GABaker 18:04, 20 September 2005 UTC.
Agreed, and I have done so. MK2 is right that we should be self-policing with the fancruft; a consolidated article might be the best way to keep this in check.VT hawkeyetalk to me 19:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey you guys seem like big Harry Turtledove fans. I work on the Harry Turtledove wikicity and we need all the help we can get. Anyone is welcome. Raylan 03:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jerry Dover Added

I added the section on Jerry Dover. It needs to be expanded please. -Chile 15:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confederate Sec'y of State

In the section on Francisco José, it says that the Confederate Secretary of State was George Herbert Walker. The book gives his name as "Herbert Walker". Are we sure it's meant to be the same person? The real George Herbert Walker was born and raised in St. Louis, a Union city in Timeline-181. Did Turtledove suggest that they were the same in an interview, or is that just conjecture?

There would be some immigration between the U.S. and C.S. in this timeline; Missouri was a border state with Southern sympathies, so it is possible that Walker's parents moved south, or Walker moved south. There would be no Confederate constitutional restriction on Walker becoming Secretary of State. --GABaker 16:57 6 Jun 2006 UTC
In our timeline, the Walkers do have a Texas connection. In addition to the well known Bush Presidents who have occansionly mentioned their Texas "Walker" connection, my own family tree has a "Walker" from Texas. (I've not looked into how close a relation there is between mine and theirs.) So I wasn't surpized at all to see Herbert Walker's analog show up working for the CS. It can also probably be safety infered that in timeline 191 anyone in Missouri who just couldn't stand the idea of staying in the Union left following the war. Jon 18:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Common Characters and Characters in the Southern Victory series

Their basically redudant. Jon 17:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they're not, but the name is misleading. "Common characters" covers exclusively real world people who find their way into the story. The list should be kept but renamed. DCB4W 02:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, how about this article be renamed to Fictional Characters in the Southern Victory series Jon 23:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we change the names to "Historical Characters" for the one page, so long as the fact is accepted that things such as Daniel MacArthur being Douglass MacArthur and such, and have the other one be "Fictional Characters", ending all debate needed. Scotishman

We shouldn't merge these articles; they were split because both articles were getting too big. GABaker 0015 27 September 2006 UTC.

  • I don't think they should be merged, as the resulting list would be too gosh darn large.--KrossTalk 00:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I've taken out the merge tag, as there seem to be good reasons for the two seperate articles. I agree that this one should possibly be renamed "Fictional characters...", and the other one maybe "Historical characters...", with the ... being consistently either "Timeline 191" (preferred by me, as the South is about to lose ;-) or "Southern Victory". --Stephan Schulz 23:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Premature updates

I've had to roll back material from as yet unpublished In At the Death here as well. It doesn't belong here (or in common chars) until the book gets published. Jon 21:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Propose spliting Jake Featherston to own dedicated article

Even if all trivia portions in Featherston's were removed entirely, his section would be far greater than anyone else, and so it's most worthy of it's own article. A few other chars are also probably big enough for their own articles, but Featherston's is the most obvious. Jon 20:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Do it. I'll grab my copy of Over Open Sights, you start pasting. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featherston vs. Featherstone

The books have it written as Featherston. However, many sites, plus several occurances in the article, have it written as Featherstone. Why? More importantly, what should be done about it? My view would be to fix it all to Featherston in the article and make a footnote for people who may want to search elsewhere that many times it is listed as Featherstone. I'm not going to take any action because I don't know if the origin of this is an old spelling that got changed in future prints and stayed changed, or just some mistake, although it seems too common to just be a mistake, so I'm going to guess that it is printed as Featherstone somewhere, or was at sometime. 76.118.246.37 01:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)Stephen B.

  • Where I noticed the issue was in the inside cover of my copy of "The Grapple" where Featherston is spelled Featherstone. However in the actual book, it is spelled like normal. I have not found it anywhere else in the printed materials so despite what may be a typo, i dont think anything should be done about it. 141.151.166.48 19:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name order

It should not be family name, given name, that goes against WP:MoS