Talk:Characters in Romeo and Juliet
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[edit] Valentine
Is the inclusion of Valentine really necessary? He's only mentioned once in the text - in passing on Capulet's invitation list; if it's concluded that we want Valentine on the page after all do we then include Martino, Anselme, Vitruvio's widow, Placentio, Livia, Valentio, Lucio and Helena? What about Petrucio? WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE?! Nowah Balloon 10:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Not a character. Get rid of. No harm in mentioning the unseens in a paragraph at the end, though. AndyJones 12:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I disagree. I put him there because I read some analysis about him while researching Rosaline. The only real place to draw the line is at the amount of sources available, as per Wikipedia notability guidelines, and there are sources available about him. Frankly, if there hadn't been any, I wouldn't have added him. Wrad 15:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I just added some more about him, along with a ref. There is more to come, but it will have to wait, as I'm hoping to move into a new place today. I also created a new section "Ghost characters" and put him in it. Basically, WP:FICTION says "articles about fictional concepts are notable if they contain substantial real-world content from reliable primary and secondary sources." Valentine has such real world content, therefore he is notable, therefore he deserves a place in wikipedia. The most logical place is this article. Wrad 16:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I think he's tolerable in a section on Ghost Characters, but presumably that now needs to mention Petruchio to be complete. Also a word or so at the start of the section explaining what a ghost character is (and therefore why the guy isn't really a character) might be needed. This is the type of article that newbies to using enclyclopedias may want to consult. I think maybe Rosaline needs a mention, also - perhaps with a {main} tag. A character doesn't get more minor than being unseen. AndyJones 17:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I am in support of Valentine's mention now that I have seen that there is actually an analysis about him. When I started this discussion there was not a link to one. Good find, Wrad. Nowah Balloon 22:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I think he's tolerable in a section on Ghost Characters, but presumably that now needs to mention Petruchio to be complete. Also a word or so at the start of the section explaining what a ghost character is (and therefore why the guy isn't really a character) might be needed. This is the type of article that newbies to using enclyclopedias may want to consult. I think maybe Rosaline needs a mention, also - perhaps with a {main} tag. A character doesn't get more minor than being unseen. AndyJones 17:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I just added some more about him, along with a ref. There is more to come, but it will have to wait, as I'm hoping to move into a new place today. I also created a new section "Ghost characters" and put him in it. Basically, WP:FICTION says "articles about fictional concepts are notable if they contain substantial real-world content from reliable primary and secondary sources." Valentine has such real world content, therefore he is notable, therefore he deserves a place in wikipedia. The most logical place is this article. Wrad 16:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I disagree. I put him there because I read some analysis about him while researching Rosaline. The only real place to draw the line is at the amount of sources available, as per Wikipedia notability guidelines, and there are sources available about him. Frankly, if there hadn't been any, I wouldn't have added him. Wrad 15:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry I didn't get the info up sooner, I've just been busy lately. I'll add a summary of Rosaline when I get the time. Wrad 07:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- I also noticed yesterday that Lady Capulet doesn't have her own page or a section in this page. I've been meaning to put something up until we can start on a more in-depth analysis, but can't seem to stop putting it off. Urgh. Nowah Balloon 14:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lord Capulet
He isn't listed at all. Did someone accidentally delete him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.125.189 (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lady Capulet
Lady Capulet's name is Angelica, but people often misinterperate this and think that the Nurse's name is Angelica 69.22.71.123 (talk) 22:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
