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[edit] Catch-all page
I have created a page as a catch-all page for those characters from A Song of Ice and Fire that do not naturally belong to any of the great houses. The number of individual character pages for this series has exploded during the past few weeks, most of them leading to VfDs. (And rightly so, I think.) This page exists to encourage people to add "Houseless" characters to it, rather than creating new pages.
If and when there are obvious ways of splitting these individuals into separate pages (House Clegane, for example), then we can do that.
Until then, let's work on cleaning up this article, and the other character descriptions that currently reside under the main houses. Almost all of the related pages are in very, very poor shape and would benefit greatly from our attention. So, dear potential contributer: before you add a stub for Cotter Pyke or Chataya, please edit Robert Baratheon (on House Baratheon) first.
For more discussion, please read what I wrote on Talk: List of characters in A Song of Ice and Fire.
I've made a proposal for all aSoIaF character organization that I'm starting soon, also in Talk: List of characters in A Song of Ice and Fire. NeoFreak 21:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Howland Reed and Sandor Clegane
While editing redirect links (great fun, that) for the House Stark page, I came across a stub on Howland Reed, which I've merged with this page, since a separate article doesn't seem warranted for a (so far) very minor character. Brendan 02:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- I've done the same for Sandor Clegane, who is more important but still doesn't deserve a separate page.
[edit] AFFC Spoilers
I've gone ahead and added some information on events in AFFC. While most of this is simply speculation, all of this speculation is so heavily accepted by the fan community and so strongly implied by the text that I think it's worth adding at this point. If R+L=J is worth mentioning in Wikipedia, then so is all the rest of this stuff, I think.
- Do we really need spoiler warnings in each entry? Can't we just have one main one at the top of the page? Lisiate 21:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Brienne's Last Name
I realize this is nit-picky, but Brienne's family name is Tarth. However, like many other Westeros noble families, the Tarths' holding shares their name: Tarth. Thus, Brienne Tarth can also be called "Brienne of Tarth", since she does in fact come from a place called Tarth. Why people usually refer to her this way is never addressed. I kept the title of her section "Brienne of Tarth" since that's her most common style, but included mention of her full name.Captain Crawdad 07:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vargo Hoat
I may be mistaken but shouldn't this say Lannister instead of Stark. "The Mummers slaughter the Stark bannermen and hand the castle over to Roose Bolton. "Sazabirules 23:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that was my brain fart. Captain Crawdad 17:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Alchemist
Spoiler warnings are all very well, but I am most upset that the premature revelation of the Alchemist's true identity has spoiled a plot twist that was coming up in a future book. Could we perhaps have a separate warning template for facts that have not yet been revealed in the published series – or leave them off the page altogether? 84.69.155.136 14:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, the revelation of the Alchemist's new identity was right at the end of A Feast for Crows, so the article isn't spoiling anything that hasn't already been published. If the article started guessing what was going to happen next, it might be a future book spoiler, but as it is, it just notes details that some readers might have missed.Captain Crawdad 17:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Erk, no, I meant the revelation of his previous identity (i.e. that he is the same person as Jaqen). That wasn't revealed in the book – it's presumably something that's going to be revealed later on and is meant to be a surprise when it comes. 213.249.135.36 18:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, well, I didn't consider that a spoiler, since the article only notes that they have the same face, which is verifiable in the currently published books. Though it has not been explicitly stated whether or not they are the same person (even though it's pretty clear), they are still associated with each other due to that shared face, so the Alchemist is relevant to Jaqen's character.Captain Crawdad 21:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh well, the damage is done now. It's still the sort of thing I would rather have been surprised by – the face description is there for clever readers to spot, but a lot of readers won't have spotted it. 84.70.213.75 12:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Some Ideas
I don't think either Nymeria or Ronnet Connington are important enough to be mentioned on this page. Also why is Arys on this page when none of the other Kingsguard besides The Hound are on it? If we don't remove his two sentences, we should at least expand it. What does everybody think of this Sazabirules 01:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe the only reason they're here was because someone made separate pages for them and they got merged here. I've been tempted to remove them. I think Nymeria Sand should be in the Martell section, if anything, and the historical figure should be in Westeros, if anything.Captain Crawdad 17:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, a lot of characters are here just based on merges from individual pages, from a time when there were no other pages for non great house characters. I'd certainly move Nymeria, Connington, Oakheart, and maybe even a couple of others.
- Another thing is that this page is getting a bit long; it's at 39 kilobytes. If there's any prospect of its getting significantly longer, we may want to consider various methods of dividing the content up- either moving some of the descriptions to other articles (Kingsguard? Night's Watch?) or dividing this into A-M and N-Z. But that's all a ways off in any case. Brendan Moody 19:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Barristan Selmy
I added something to the bit on Selmy- it said he was the last of the Kingsguard from before the Rebellion, but Jaime Lannister, though he betrayed his king, also remains from that Kingsguard.
- True. I just changed that section again to remove both the assertion and the contradiction. The point of the sentence was just to note that he comes from the Kingsguard's older tradition. -Captain Crawdad 02:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Petyr Baelish
Just a minor note: it is not merely 'unlikely' that Petyr deflowered Catelyn, it is definitely false. In one of Catelyn's POV chapters in Storm of Swords, she distinctly remembers how she felt when she gave Ned her maidenhood (it had more of a sense of duty than one of passion, or something of that nature). Also in an earlier chapter she muses on how she 'gave her maidenhood to a stranger' out of duty to her father and her house. I've made the appropriate changes. --Alex
[edit] Pages for minor houses?
This is probably rocking the boat too much, and I'm coming to the game kind of late here, but I think it would be a lot better if we created separate pages for minor houses rather than put all the characters who aren't members of the great houses here. For example, if I look up Samwell Tarly, I might also be interested in the details regarding his House, however slight they may be, such as what role his father played in the war (he fought for the Lannisters I believe, and there's even info on which battles he fought). Of course, characters who seem to be the only representatives of their houses should stay as they are. But some of the minor houses grouped here have almost as many representatives in the story as some of the major ones (for example House Arryn has very few). So I would propose that a separate list of known minor houses be made underneath the current list of major houses, with pages for any that has two or more prominent members. House Reed and House Clegane come to mind. Also, instead of putting Khal Drogo here, one could make a separate page for all Dothraki in the books, which would include both Drogo's and Dany's bloodriders, etc. Just throwing out some ideas.
[edit] Redirects
Sandor Clegane redirects to this page, but there is no reference to him here. Should it instead redirect to Minor houses in A Song of Ice and Fire or someplace else? 69.95.239.90 21:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Gregor Clegane also redirects here.-Anonymous GRRM fan
...as does Jorah Mormont - both the wiki entry (Jorah Mormont) and interior page-links (to a now-bogus anchor: Characters_from_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire#Jorah_Mormont) ...and Howland Reed, and (presumably) others. Looks like a lot of this resulted from a helpful cleanup in '05 (see above - #Howland_Reed_and_Sandor_Clegane) 71.198.100.237 01:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Syrio Forel
I just want to make clear my reasons for stating Syrio's death as possible as opposed to probable, as people keep changing it back. Probability, as I'm using the word here is subjective; GRRM has never stated that Syrio is probably dead (or if he has please provide a reference :)) and I don't find it at all unlikely that Syrio could take on Meryn Trant, even with a wooden sword. So if you have a reason to change it to probable please do tell. Pyreforge 01:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've come up with alternate wording that doesn't even mention death at all, since in the absence of hard evidence either way there's no particular reason to. Let me know if you object to it. Brendan Moody 05:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks, that's a better way to do it. Pyreforge 08:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Qyburn...
Okay, I'm not at all sure about this thing here, BUT... I do recall that on the back of one of the books (and I know how unreliable they are), the word Necromancer was mentioned... Or something, anyways, to that effect. Pure speculation here, but could Qyburn be a necromancer, then? Point 1- He was banished from the Maester's sect, right? So clearly he was doing nasty stuff, possibly other than his torture experiments/fetishes. Point 2- He's a good healer, so he knows a lot about anatomy. This might be important. Point 3- The already mentioned stuff about the giant armor suit, probably for Gregor Clegane, who I THINK has expired. Point 4- Unbeatable champion, right? Well, a huge undead monster man that can shake off wounds like Dondarrion, or even like a Wight? Sounds pretty unbeatable.
I'm not going to edit anything personally, this is just a little thought about him. If anyone has any other bits of evidence or suggestive facts, you can post them if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.183.111 (talk) 01:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ADWD Spoilers
Under Barristan the Bold there are spoilers from an ADWD preview chapter. I think they should be removed. Views? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.80.131 (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
