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Is "Naomi Chumpsky" supposed to be "Noam Chomsky"? -LD

It's his joke on linguistics i think --max rspct 17:37, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plagarism, plain and simple?

Is this article nothing more than direct plagarism from the Dune Encyclopedia?

One has to wonder, given the casual citing of scholarly works written in the 11th millenium A.G., as though they needed no explanation, or qualification that these studies DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST!! Remember, wikipedia is for real people living in the real world--not for fictitious students of galactic history.

[edit] Disambiguation and new article needed?

I am no linguist, but I think Chakobsa is (or was?) a real language spoken in the Caucasus. More precisely, some kind of secret language used by warriors or raiders. -- andrea domenici 131.114.9.221

Not sure whether Chakobsa was real or not, but dispute the article's assertion it was a Fremen battle language. House Atreides was using it on Caladan, surely, and imported it to Dune where they taught it to the Fremen. 196.36.9.234 07:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC) James van den Heever

No, that's not correct. The Atreides battle language was different IIRC. Jessica knew Chakobsa from her Bene Gesserit training. (I believe she was particularly skilled with languages?)

I don't have time tonight to look for the passages to back the above up, but will try to get to it sometime over the next few days. (Chakobsa being the name of a real language sounds familiar. If so, we'll need to add a disambiguation page.) --SandChigger 09:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

In the afterword to the Dune 40th Anniversary Edition (trade paperback), Brian Herbert (Frank Herbert's son) states that Chakobsa is from the Caucasus. Not that that makes it true.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.134.223 (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

That's the small, normal paperback version? I mean, the larger one was softcover as well. I just picked up a copy while back in the States in September; didn't have time to read any of it, tho'. :(

Did Brian state that his father wrote or told him that the Caucasian language was supposed to be the source of the language in the books? Or was it merely the source of the name used by FH?

As you rightly point out, Brian Herbert being Frank Herbert's son doesn't release him from any of the requirements of verifiability that we hold others to. He needs to make clear whether he has physical evidence to back up what he says, whether it is his recollection of something his father said (and therefore cannot be verified but must be taken on faith), or whether it is his interpretation of the texts/events (which, frankly, I find rather dubious). --SandChigger 00:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Chakobsa is (one English spelling of) the name of a real language. See discussion here, with lots of citations. --Cam (talk) 00:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)