Talk:Château Haut-Brion

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[edit] Minister of Finance?

Re: "...and more recently the Ambassador of the United States in Paris, Clarence Douglas Dillon, who was also Minister of Finance in the U.S. ..."

The US doesn't have a Ministry of Finance. Perhaps the author meant Secretary of the Treasury?

Seemingly so. I've corrected it. Sandover 00:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overt Negativity

Coming to this article from the outside, I was struck by how the poor performance of Ch Haut-Brion was accentuated in the "The Paris Wine Tasting of 1976 and other major competitions" subsection. Why is the poor performance of this wine in competitions accentuated, especially, it seems to promote Californian wines in every example? As I look at the Stag's Leap Wine Cellars page I don't see an extensive list of that wineries failures, but again I see more referencing to poor performance of French wines. Does someone have a chip on their shoulder here? I'm going to dig into the edit history a bit, but in my mind most of that whole subsection should be wiped out. The alternative is that I go and start digging up dirt on every major Californian wine I can think of. Seriously, who thought this was even-handed? We understand that California wines are serious and of high quality. We understand that the storming of the world wine stage by California wineries is a very important event in the greater world of wine. But only a child needs to prove himself by tearing down his peers. --BridgeBurner 06:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: the most recent edits. Trying to establish the objectivity of these expositions and tasting isn't relevant nor does it address the issue. I might ask why you have spent almost 100% of your efforts writing on the negative aspects of French wine and almost none (save Champagne) on anything substantive. It's not that I think these tastings are not objective, but that your motivation to concentrate solely on them isn't objective. If you don't start responding to me to explain your motivations, I am going to start editing more aggressively. I do not object to brief mentions of the wake-up call that French wine received by the Califonia wine beginning in the 70's, but it should hardly outweigh all other information presented in an article about a specific Chateau. --BridgeBurner 18:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that if the wine tastings are notable enough to be mentioned here (which I would say they are) they should simply be linked to and have their own article. It would be easier to make it neutral than filling much of the Haut-Brion article with it. It could then go into the criticisms of these tastings, the boost they gave to serious Californian wines and so on (with some decent references). Justinc 00:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah I see there is, but the person who added it decided that the information should be repeated in all the articles. This needs fixing, its a mess. Justinc 00:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is. I plan on fixing it soon, but thought I'd give the editor in question a few days to explain himself on the multiple talk pages I've left him, but he has not. It goes beyond Bordeaux and into Burgundy as well as the general French wine article. You can see some of my comments there on the talk page as well. --BridgeBurner 00:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear BridgeBurner- Please see the message I left on your talk tage several days ago. I plan to create a wine competitions page to which I can direct readers. Best regards.David Justin 01:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about HB or other great french wines being compared with californian wines. I usually just ask myself the question, why everybody is so interested in knowing who can beat the great Bordeaux. I think it says a lot about a wine, that everybody wants to "beat it". Nobody cares about who beat Stags Leap or Screaming Eagle. Why not? Because those wines are largely uninteresting to most people, I guess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nwinther (talk • contribs) 11:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

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