Talk:Ceres (mythology)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 12:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Page move
Proposal: Move the disambiguation page (currently "Ceres") to "Ceres (disambiguation)" and this article to "Ceres".
Reasoning: The mythological Ceres is the origin of most places or objects named Ceres. Also, the names of the other articles are not just "Ceres". Places are named "Ceres, XXX"; the brewery is "Ceres Brewery"; the asteroid article is "1 Ceres". —Mike 04:34, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
- This ancient request seems absolutely reasonable. In particular, the current situation is untenable: Ceres redirects to Ceres (mythology)! Having a disambig page at Ceres might be acceptable, but having a redirect from a simpler name to a parenthetical one is bad, bad form. -Silence 03:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- It is clear from your discussion at Ravi Shankar that you are an opponent of parentheses in article names. Could you explain why you think they are objectionable? --BostonMA 20:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- I have no objection to parentheses where they are necessary. They are unnecessary here. It's as simple as that. They are in no way helpful, are completely redundant, and cause much more complication and confusion than simply leaving the page named the way it is, in addition to clearly (and totally pointlessly, arbitrarily and randomly) ignoring Wikipedia Disambiguation style. I don't understand why you think parentheses would benefit either article, when either way the unparenthetical article will redirect to them, wasting time and space for no real reason. Are you suggesting that we add parentheses to every article? Because there's no more reason to use parentheses here than there is to use them on any other random article on Wikipedia. -Silence 06:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Clearly either Ceres (disambiguation) or Ceres (mythology) should be moved to Ceres. I lean towards moving the goddess, as the primary usage. Rd232 talk 21:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. -Silence 06:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- OPPOSE the dab page should sit at Ceres. Otherwise, you'd need to think of a reason why Mars is a planet and not a god. 132.205.45.110 19:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Nonsense. Mars is for the planet because a major planet near the Earth is more noteworthy than a single 3000-year-old deity from a culture's pantheon. Ceres should be for the goddess because there's nothing else even close to being as noteworthy as the goddess. The disambiguation criteria are clear. A majority of users who search for Mars will be looking for the planet, and a majority of users who search for Ceres will be looking for the goddess, so I don't see what's so wrong about actually doing what will benefit the most people and be consistent with tens of thousands of other disambig pages. Jeez. -Silence 22:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] Redirecting minor gods here
I've redirected the existing pages on the minor gods who assisted Ceres (now mentioned in the article (although the text needs to be rephrased by someone knowlageable about the gods in question)), as I don't think there is anything that can be said about them apart from their relationship to Ceres, which should be addressed here. If anyone disagrees, please respond here, and then feel free to revert. JesseW 07:50, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Reviewing the archived debate
Since Ceres may soon be added as a planet to our solar system, I think it may be best to redirect "Ceres" to the disambiguation page after all, and not to the mythological reference. In the near future, many people will be looking up on information about the new planet (or ex-candidate planet) Mansize 23:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. Previous move debate is now obsolete. --Planetary 20:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Page move
Given 1 Ceres's newfound fame, at least as many people will be coming here for the dwarf planet rather than the God, which should be moved here. Thus the goddess should either go straight to the celestial body, or at the very least be a disambiguation page.The Enlightened 16:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I missed the previous debate, but I would have opposed the move. Reality should gain precedent. And besides, how many people are actually looking for the Ceres of mythology? A single click should be able to get that minority to where they want to be.--Planetary 14:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I would also oppose the move, if only because the current arrangement has better didactical value. "Hey, I wanna know about Ceres the planet. Click. What's this? Hey, it's named after a goddess, cool!" Urhixidur 01:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- I believe the unsigned message above you was referring to the original move of the goddess page from Ceres (mythology) to here.
[edit] Me too!
- A statue of Ceres caps the dome at the Vermont State House. Ceres is also a village in Fife, Scotland, near the county town of Cupar. Ceres is also a small town in Northern California.
I removed these "me too" references—it's pure cruft. The list isn't complete, and no thank you, we don't want a complete list of everything called Ceres here. Anyway, the Ceres (disambiguation) page already covers this, as mentioned near the top of the article.
—Herbee 21:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Picture of Statue
The picture in this article misleads you into thinking it is a statue of Ceres. In fact, I have found many sites that discuss the goddess Ceres that use this picture, referencing wikipedia as its source. However, this is not a statue of Ceres. From the Louvre's website, translated from French, this is what it is:
"Unknown woman in Cérès About 235 - 250 A.D.
The calm face is not, as one had believed it, the one of an empress, but of an unknown Roman lady. This funerary picture borrows from the faces of Venus a clothing discovering the shoulder and the left breast, echo of certain representations of the Greek Aphrodite created at the end of the View century before Jesus Christ."
So, you see. It is a sculpture of an unknowmn woman from a PLACE called Ceres. I may be being a little nitpicky. I know. I study art history, however, and really had wanted to learn the history of this particular piece. I spent a solid two hour period searching for this statue's history, always using "Statue of Ceres" as my keywords. I couldn't find anything, of course, because that was not the title of the piece. So, I think it would be best to replace this picture with another picture of Ceres, since there are plenty.
