User talk:Ceoil
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[edit] Not just another drop in the ocean
Yeah. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- As I am not a Catholic (Protestantism, yay), explain to me Catholism in ten words or less. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Right. If you give me eleven words I'll convert you; so best you just move along about your business. (Oh, and its Astral Weeks night again tonight). Ceoil (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- What do you think of Moondance? WesleyDodds (talk) 23:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Right. If you give me eleven words I'll convert you; so best you just move along about your business. (Oh, and its Astral Weeks night again tonight). Ceoil (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Barely worthy of a wedding band. Fat uncle music. Ceoil (talk) 23:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- True story: I asked my brother to buy me Astral Weeks on CD and he came back with Moondance. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Few and far between decent Van Morrison tracks I've found on you tube - spare a dime? Ceoil (talk) 00:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- There really is an unusually high proportion of wankers covering Van Morrison songs on their guitars and filming it for YouTube. Can't find anything decent. How about some more Paul instead? WesleyDodds (talk)
- Thanks man. Paul is always welcome around here. Ceoil (talk) 07:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Could you upload a soundclip of "Transmission" to Joy Division? I've wanted to move "She's Lost Control" down to the Musical Style section for ages, where it can be used in context to talk about Hannett making Morris play his drum kit in separate pieces and all that rationaled fair-use goodness. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks man. Paul is always welcome around here. Ceoil (talk) 07:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Give me a few minutes. Can you look after the FU stuff though. Ceoil (talk) 11:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- It'd be basically "This clarifies as fair use because this song is fantastic. And we talk about it a bit; maybe you might learn something". WesleyDodds (talk) 11:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Don't expain; do. Any others you want, now that I'm in the mood ;-) Ceoil (talk) 11:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Gonna need some Banshees ones soon enough, but I have to expand the bio beyond 1979 for that to work. Uhhh . . . give me a few moments. I'm going to stare at my iPod looking for inspiration. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Don't expain; do. Any others you want, now that I'm in the mood ;-) Ceoil (talk) 11:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- It'd be basically "This clarifies as fair use because this song is fantastic. And we talk about it a bit; maybe you might learn something". WesleyDodds (talk) 11:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well "happy house" would be my choice, though I'm not a fan. Ceoil (talk) 11:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- I don't even think I've gotten as far as "Happy House" in the bio yet. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I have to admit that some of the thoughts I had while watching this could get me blocked from the internets not to mind wikipedia. Still, Jesus! Ceoil (talk) 11:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Take you time Dodds; its ok nobody is watching. Except me and my 4 zombie admin accounts Ceoil (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Uh, I guess some R.E.M. clips for the albums. Something for Murmur besides the frankly overrated "Radio Free Europe", and so on. Maybe replace the soundclip for "Come as You Are' at Nevermind with a 10% length copy if you have it on you. Wish I could think of more right now, but all the others I'm thinking of would require me to write some brilliant prose in the article body to "use the fair use media in an educational context", and while I love doing that, I'm a bit tired right now. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Um "Harbor coat"? By a mile my favorite rem song. Anyway, G'nit. Ceoil (talk) 11:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm up an eating hamburgers. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Just finished watching A Hard Day's Night. I think those boys might be on to something. Do you think they're notable enough to warrant a Wiki article? WesleyDodds (talk) 01:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] RCC
Dear Ceoil, thank you for your helpful editing of the RCC page. I appreciate your improvements very much. Thanks. NancyHeise (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I think the "As a result" is referring to the monastic impact mentioned in the previous sentence with respect to the conversion of the Lombards and visigoths. But it is fine as you've rewritten it. Xandar (talk)
- Ceoil, I think all of your edits are absolutely fine. The monastic impact was actually one of the reasons for the conversions, it was not our invention but the text you left was fine too. I'll let you decide on that. NancyHeise (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Excellent job on the prose, Ceoil. We needed you and we appreciate you. Have a great time at your friends party. All the best. NancyHeise (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bunnymen
Hi Ceoil, WesleyDodds pointed me in your direction as you may have sources for Bunnymen info – although he warned me about talking to you when you're drunk! ;-). I'm currently working through their albums in an effort to get them to at least GA. I've got the liner notes from the first 4 expanded remasters and I've got the Turquoise Days book. If you have anything that might useful I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks --JD554 (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Roman-Persian Wars
How many times are you going to change your userpage?! Well, as a genuine self-seeker now that I am working on an article that I intend to submit to FAC, and which is already undergoing an A-Class Review in WP:MILHIST, I remembered you again! I'd be grateful if you could have a look on the prose, and comment, in general, on any deficiencies you may find. Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 19:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sistine Chapel
Is this on the back burner for now? Kafka Liz (talk) 00:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- No, I'm waiting for a few books I ordered from Amazon over the weekend. Modernist suggested we tackle the ceiling instead, but I'm not decided on that yet. I have books on Michelangelo and Raphel, each of which go into good detail on the chapel, but am waiting for bios of Botticelli and Julius II. Haven't found anything on its architecture yet. Ceoil (talk) 00:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sistine Chapel Ceiling
The references pertain to that entire section, not simply the last paragraph which includes two inline refences. The info has been condensed from those references, which is why the references pertains to the entire section, not to a number of individual "facts". I wrote the stuff, and I referenced it. Amandajm (talk) 01:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Most of the sections are referenced in the same way, for the same reason. What do you suggest? Amandajm (talk) 01:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Sistine Chapel Ceiling is already a GA. If I were to tidy it up a bit it would probably come up to FA standard.
- I just took a look at Garden of Worldly delights, to see what you people have been doing. I haven't been buying into the FA process, because I find it beastly.
- However, my comments are that despite the fact that it is well referenced and meets the nitpicking requirements, it isn't well-written enough to satisfy MY requirements of an article.
- A statement like "Such and such is considered the artist's best known work" is cautious B.S. It either IS or isn't thhe best known work, or else it is or isn't one of his best known works. To say it is considered a best known work is to say that those who consider, consider they know it, which if you follow me, you will see is nonsense. And the statement is referenced'?!
- The often-used phrase "It is likely...." is frequently used ungrammatically, and occurs in the Bosch intro a couple of times.
- There are parts of the article where one referenced fact is piled on another often in an order that doesn't quite make sense, because of the desire to meet FA requirements for citing sources. Some of the silly people want every single sentnece with an individual refernce, which is ridiculous, and simply not done in most academic writing.
- I found an article the other day that took it to the absolute extreme. A single sentence had five inline citations, all of which directed to the same page of the same article, as in "John Brown was born on 3rd March 1966[1], at 5 am[2], in King George's Hospital for Mothers and Babies, Missenden Road, Camperdown[3] to Mary, nee Smith[4] wife of Peter Brown[5]." This is the sort of ludicrous over-referencing that people do to meet FA requirements. I can't be bothered trying to score llittle stars. I'd rather take on a big generic article and knock it into a workable shape.
- About the general article on the Sistine Chapel, yes it needs an overhaul. I haven't looked at Michelangelo for a long time. I decided to opt out of that won. It probably needs work as well. Amandajm (talk) 02:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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- I'm most sorry! I was only referring to the one expression. I have read that sort of thing in quite a few articles, where the writer dooesn't want to get challenged over making a statement like "The statue of David is Michelangelo's best know sculpture." I personally don't think there is any doubt whatsoever that the Garden of Worldly Delights is B's best known work. Do you mind if have a little fiddle? I probably won't change any content at all, but just slightly rearrange and link material.
- As for the Sistine Chapel- Go for it! Amandajm (talk) 02:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- That's very nice of you! :-) I'm home sick. Amandajm (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Brian Boru
Dear Ceoil (wonderful to see the Bosch painting here, it was one of the first I admired at Web Gallery of Art), I'd like to ask why the entire section 'In popular culture' was removed from Brian Boru. I know that Trivia sections are 'discouraged' but I thought that the 'Popular culture' bit was rather useful, e. g. for leading a reader to the eponymous Alan Stivell album which is now often seen as groundbreaking. Saluti cordiali, HTO (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Why the Brian Boru deletions?
I know a lot of those things are factoids, but they demonstrate the persistence of Brian Boru in modern consciousness, in some case his very basic position in Irish (and more generally modern Celtic) culture and identity. Why remove them? At best, the more trivial one like the vodka might be deleted, but most of it is quite worthy of note. --Svartalf (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
