Talk:Central and Eastern Europe

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[edit] Merge from Median Europe suggestion

  • Support. `'Míkka>t 00:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Against - 1) CEE is not a correct term, although it's widely used, 2) it often includes Russia (Median Europe does not), 3) this article doesn't have any single source Montessquieu (talk) 07:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Central Europe includes Germany and Austria, Eastern Europe includes Russia. Does this term have any sense? I would ask to provide any sources which define the term (explaining why Russia, Germany and Austria are not included). This term is very widely used, various organisations are established (even programmes of study), but when I was trying to find its scientific definition, it was impossible. I wish you good luck with English-language sources. On the contrary, scientific analysis of Middle Europe does exist and is provided in the article. Montessquieu (talk) 09:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Article merged to East-Central Europe. Montessquieu (talk) 21:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion of another article

All these "median-like" terms are not well-established. What we need is an article which lists and compares various attempts to define new geopolitical zone (or zones) in Europe, with proper references to sources which explain and justify the corresponding terms, not just use them. I suggest the article title Geopolitical divisions of Europe, which will give only summaries of relatively well-established terms like Central Europe, but go in detail for various neologisms. `'Míkka>t 17:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea, although I would insist that an article on Central Europe remain autonomous. Montessquieu (talk) 17:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Like I said, Central Europe and other well-known in separate pages is OK, you probably are not familiar with wikipedia:Summary style, so you didn't understand my suggestion in full. `'Míkka>t 21:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I didn't understand but now I do :) I strongly support. Montessquieu (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. I started the article Geopolitical divisions of Europe, from the most obvious piece. Please expand. `'Míkka>t 23:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is not a geography article

Friends, please do not treat "Central and Eastern Europe" as a geography article combining "Central Europe" and "Eastern Europe". The article clearly states in the first sentence that "Central and Eastern Europe" is a political-economic term characterizing basically the former Communist (or Socialist) countries in Europe. Initially, CEE (accepted abbreviation) applied to former Socialist countries in Europe lying west of the post-WWII border with the former USSR. Eventually, the term was broadened to include the three Baltic states, which chose not to join the CIS and thus by default shifted to CEE. All transition countries in Europe and Central Asia today are classified either as CIS (12 former Soviet republics excluding the Baltic states) or CEE (the exact count varies depending on the number of entities in former Yugoslavia, but it always includes the new EU members as well as all the accession candidates). The Wikipedia article East-Central Europe is conceptually very close to CEE, although the map in this article does not include the Baltic states. However, the accepted usage in transition and development studies today is definitely CEE, because the abbreviation ECE for "East-Central Europe" is ambiguous: it normally stands for the Economic Council of Europe. Based on these considerations, I will make an attempt to edit Central and Eastern Europe, but at this stage my version will be far from definitive, so the stub template remains (but not a geography stub!). Let's continue this discussion, shall we? --Zlerman (talk) 07:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)