Talk:Central Military Commission (People's Republic of China)

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Contents 1 Older 2 There were two 3 Requested move 4 Reorganization? 5 Remove this 6 Origins

[edit] Older

Why was it moved from Central_Military_Commission? This article discusses both the party and state CMCs. The title suggests it is only about the state one. Do other countries have prominent CMC's? --Jiang 22:46 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The article says the top leadership of the state CMC and the party CMC are the same, and Jiang Zemin passed the leaderships of both CMCs to Hu Jingtao in September 2004. Nonetheless, as far as I remember Jiang passed the leadership of the party state CMC slightly later than the state party CMC to Hu. — Instantnood 20:42, Feb 14 2005 (UTC)

I have found that Jiang is still the leader of the state CMC. It is expected the position will be passed to Hu on March 13, 2005, the last day of the meetings of the People's Consultative Conference and the National People's Congress. — Instantnood 07:10 Feb 26 2005 (UTC)

Jiang Zemin submitted the resignation today (March 4) and is pending to the approval by the National People's Congress. — Instantnood 13:05 Mar 4 2005 (UTC)

[edit] There were two

The KMT and ROC also had a Central Military Commission, with the same name and basic structure, set up by the same Soviet advisors. We should either create two level 1 sections or create a disambiguation. --Jiang 13:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Central Military Commission → Central Military Commission of the People's Republic of China – disambiguation with the one in Vietnam and possibly other communist countries. DHN 04:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Please create the dab page now. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 09:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganization?

There was something to that effect mentioned at the end of National Security Council. I've no other information about this, but still thought it was better served here. Alcarillo 17:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove this

Believed by whom? Also the chair of the CMC is only one member among several, and it is not clear how the decision making process works. Finally, Hua Guofeng was CMC chair and it didn't help him in the power struggle against Deng Xiaoping.

Leadership of the CMC is largely believed to be the most important in the PRC.^{[citation needed]} Anyone who sits as a chairperson of the CMC has control of the armed forces, is recognized as Commander-in-Chief, and thereby has effective control over the state.

Roadrunner 03:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

CMC chairmanship didn't help Jiang Zemin retain power 2003-04 either. Jiang couldn't even stop the "two centers" article from being published in the army newspaper, so the CMC is obviously set up in such a way that the chairman can be outvoted. Jiang had a 6-3 majority on the Politburo, but Hu Jintao put him out to pasture anyway. So the military members of the CMC, a group of people we know nothing about, may well be China's kingmakers. All the same, what position is more important than CMC chairman? The other big position is general secretary. During the Hua/Deng struggle, Hua was general secretary as well as CMC chairman. Mao was continuously CMC chairman, never general secretary. Kauffner 14:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Kauffner, you seem to have missed the transition from "hang on to power for as long as possible, at whatever cost" to "change leaders on a regular basis." Jiang Zemin's term was up, and he went. When Hu Jintao's term is up, he'll go, too. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Origins

I've added some earlier material about the party military committee pre-1949.DOR (HK) (talk) 07:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)