Talk:Central Market of Salamanca

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This is straight plagarism of a poor english translation found on the Market website: http://salamanca.mercadocentral.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=44&Itemid=52 Click english version and you find this article. It needs to be rewritten. Can someone with more skills than me flag this appropriately? 24.131.0.246 13:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

• According to the dates of the history and the date on the site you linked, the linked site is actually a copy of the Wikipedia page. The linked page was created on "05 de mayo" (May 5th), and the article was here before that (created in April, last significant revision on May 4th). I'll bet it's the same author. In any event, since this article was created first, there's no copyright issues. --UsaSatsui (talk) 09:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy vio

Can you have another look at this article. The article reads awkwardly because I believe it is a machine assisted translation, and although the English version, at what I presume to be, the source site predates the wikipedia version, the original Spanish version there dates the 2nd to 3rd of April 2007 some two weeks earlier than the Wikipedia version.

Looking at the Spanish wikipedia version es:Mercado Central de Salamanca the earliest version dates from 10th of April, and arrives at Spanish Wikipedia fully formed. (The French versions both date from May the 11th, all three articles on all three wikipedias were created by the same user, or three users using the same name). The introduction at the source site is rather garbled and almost unreadable but the "El valor arquitectónico del Mercado." at both the Spanish Wikipedia and the source site are identical, allowing for minor evolution of the Spanish Wikipedia article due to input from other editors.

"El Mercado de Salamanca entronca en sus líneas generales con la familia de los grandes mercados, estaciones y pabellones de exposiciones de la primera arquitectura de hierro. Para la fecha en que se proyecta, la tipología de mercado que impone principalmente los Halles de Paris (1854-1866) del arquitecto Baltard, ya se había desarrollado suficientemente en España. En Madrid como los Mercado de La Cebada y de los Mostenses, construidos entre 1870 y 1875, del arquitecto Mariano Calvo y Pereira; en Barcelona con el de Born (1874-1876) del arquitecto J. Fontseré i Mestres, o el de San Antonio del arquitecto A. Rovira y Trias, aproximadamente por la misma fecha. También en otras provincias se construyen mercados de hierro coincidiendo con el crecimiento demográfico de las ciudades y por lo tanto con mayores necesidades de abastecimiento, es el caso por ejemplo de Valladolid en donde se construyen tres mercados de estas características siendo el de Portugalete (1878-1881) una expresiva muestra." version at source site 02 de abril de 2007.

"El Mercado de Salamanca entronca en sus líneas generales con la familia de los grandes mercados, estaciones y pabellones de exposiciones de la primera arquitectura de hierro. Para la fecha en que se proyecta, la tipología de mercado que impone principalmente los Halles de Paris (1854-1866) del arquitecto Baltard, ya se había desarrollado suficientemente en España. En Madrid como los Mercado de La Cebada y de los Mostenses, construidos entre 1870 y 1875, del arquitecto Mariano Calvo y Pereira; en Barcelona con el de Born (1874-1876) del arquitecto J. Fontseré i Mestres, o el de San Antonio del arquitecto A. Rovira y Trias, aproximadamente por la misma fecha. También en otras provincias se construyen mercados de hierro coincidiendo con el crecimiento demográfico de las ciudades y por lo tanto con mayores necesidades de abastecimiento, es el caso por ejemplo de Valladolid en donde se construyen tres mercados de estas características siendo el de Portugalete (1878-1881) una expresiva muestra." Spanish Wikipedia version arrives fully formed 16:40 10 abr 2007.

"The Salamanca Market rooted in its broad outlines to the family of the major markets, stations and exhibition halls of the first iron architecture. By the time it is planned, the type of market that imposes mainly Halles de Paris (1854-1866) of the architect Baltard, had already been sufficiently developed in Spain. In Madrid as the Market The Barley and Mostenses, built between 1870 and 1875, the architect Mariano Calvo and Pereira; in Barcelona with the Born (1874-1876) by architect J. I Fontseré Mestres, or San Antonio architect A. Rovira and Trias, by approximately the same date. Also in other provinces are built iron markets coinciding with the population growth of cities and therefore most in need of supply, is the case of Valladolid where he built three markets of these features being of Portugalete (1878 - 1881) an expressive sample." Google machine translation of current text at [1].

"The Market of Salamanca connects in main lines with the family of the great markets, stations and pavilions of exhibitions of the first iron architecture. For the date in which it projects, the typology of market that mainly imposes the Halls of Paris (1854-1866) of Baltard architect, already had been developed sufficiently in Spain. In Madrid like the Market of the Barley and the Mostenses, constructed between 1870 and 1875, of the architect Mariano Calvo y Pereira; in Barcelona with the one of Born (1874-1876) of architect J. Fontseré i Mestres, or the one of San Antonio of architect A. Rovira and Trias, approximately by the same date. Also, in other provinces iron markets are constructed relative to the population increase of the cities, and therefore with greater necessities of supplying. This is the case in Valladolid, where they constructed three markets of these characteristics. The Portugalete (1878-1881) is an expressive sample of this." Original en Wikipedia version May 3 2007.[[2]]

I actually now doubt that the article is an outright copyvio that I presumed (especially because of the dates of French versions). I now think that all three articles are promotional tracts written by someone associated with the market. However I have residual concerns that although not a copyvio of the english version, strictly speaking the Wikipedia versions are copyvios of the Spanish text at the market site.KTo288 (talk) 14:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)