Talk:Censored Eleven

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Contents 1 Cartoons in the Censored Eleven as redirects? 2 Little Pygmy? 3 Tokio Jokio 4 Hypocrisy 5 Screencaps 6 International distribution?

[edit] Cartoons in the Censored Eleven as redirects?

Not sure this is the best way to go about things. I'd like to think these cartoons will have their own pages one day; many little-known cartoon shorts do already. If necessary, we can make stubs for them. I'd prefer that to redirecting them and removing the wikilinks from the article. BrianSmithson 00:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

We should really write articles for each of these cartoons. If we don't this endless cycle of linking and delinking the list will continue ad infinitum . . . . — BrianSmithson 21:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I will be more than happy to post about each cartoon, but it won't let me, Please remove the redirects

What you need to do is click on the cartoon title you want to write about. You will got to the Censored Eleven article, but at the top, it will say "Redirected from [cartoon title]". Click on the cartoon title again, and you will go to the redirect page. Then you can edit the redirect and convert it into a proper article. — BrianSmithson 06:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the re-directs need to be removed ASAP.

[edit] Little Pygmy?

Perhaps that should be "Half-Pint Pygmy (1948)" cf. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040415/ ?

[edit] Tokio Jokio

I seem to recall hearing about some other censored cartoons, mostly World War II depictions of the Japanese that have since fallen out of style. Palm_Dogg 05:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

There are many cartoons that are no longer seen today, not just the Censored 11. This article isn't censorship in animated cartoons, though, so they don't really belong here. Someone should probably write a broader article on the topic, for sure. — BrianSmithson 12:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

What about Bugs Nips the Nips? I'm pretty sure something like that would have been censored and I can assure you it's a WB cartoon. --Thaddius 14:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right; that has also been removed from TV circulation. However, it is not part of the 11 cartoon group that is discussed in this article, so would be better discussed in something like censorhip in animated cartoons or another appropriate article. -- BrianSmithson 14:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hypocrisy

I've seen three of these cartoons now, some only partially, and I can see that this is just the hardcore left-wingers being hypocritical and racists themselves nowadays. "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs" is more of a jazzy version of Snow White featuring black characters rather than white, with more basic humor than acutal racism towards the black community. They put the typical sterotyping with the blacks, i.e. the large lips, but they do that with all races, whether black or white, or even any other person, despite race to be honest. This one was actually only truly racist towards the Japanese (with a smack at midgets in the process), and they could've edited those out. It's more the sexuality that is in the cartoon that makes it too racey, not racist, for children to watch. "Jungle Jitters" does make jokes about blacks, but they have done they same towards whites many times, and this one makes more fun of and is jabbing at door-to-door salesmen than they do Africans. The most racist of the three I have seen is "All This and Rabbit Stew," which was definitely racist towards blacks. Yet, at the same time, this was the only time I know of with a black character as the idiot. The majority of the time, the EXACT same things would happen in the usual Bugs Bunny chase, except he'd be persued by the infamous Elmer Fudd, and Elmer Fudd was WHITE. Whoever said ol' Elmer was a Harvard grad? - Black Kat 15:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The media has so brainwashed Whites into thinking they are evil and that we need to be punished for it. (Even though slavery still exists in Africa and every country ran by Blacks is a total shithole -- ie: look what has happened to Zimbabwe with the White genocide). For some reason on TV you can show Whites in a negative fashion but not any other race, pretty ridiculous. I just watched "ALL THIS AND RABBIT STEW" and I really don't see anything "racist" about it. We see Bugs outwitting Whites all the time but that's okay? I guess what it comes down to is there has never been a perceived lack of intelligence with Whites as compared to other races, which allows us to laugh at ourselves. As compared to say, Africans, that when the Europeans found when they explored Africa they still found in tribal societies thousands of years behind the rest of the world. Volksgeist 19:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

"The media has so brainwashed Whites into thinking they are evil and that we need to be punished for it"

I agree with that line. Hell, even with children. I see white kids get picked on all the time and black kids calling them crackers and the like. Then when a white kid says somthing like "nigger", everyones on his ass.

The problem isn't that the white kid is unable to say "nigger" (because he shouldn't), it's that no one sasy anything when the black kid says a racial slur.

That being said, I watched "Jungle Jitters" on Youtube. I can see why they don't show it on television, the stereotyping and all. It doesn't seem offensive to me (and before anyone says it's because I'm white, I'm not) but I can see why they can't show it on TV. Everyone would be on their asses. At least release it on the DVD's.

oh, and that cartoon also has faces of what I'm certain is stereotypical white guys in the..what was it now, 1920's? 30's?EAB 00:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

in addition: It's amazing how openly people joked about stereotypes back then. Problem is, some might take it seriously and it might offend, but yeah, joked about stereotypes. If they were actually racist, I don't know.

It all boils down to who has the power in our society: the N-word coming from a white person has centuries of oppression and slavery behind it, wheres "honky" and "cracker" are more-or-less laughable. (Cf: derogitory words for women bear far more weight than their male equivalents). When the white animators at Warner and Disney parodied the cultures of non-white people they lowered them beneath the status of the non-human characters that were these studios' mainstays (rodent beats black man? Please.)

What I want to know is: why were these cartoons that steotyped African-Americans censored from my young eyes while similar cartoons that stereotyped Native Americans were played over and over again on TV? Morganfitzp 20:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Note that there is a difference between making fun of characters who are white (or black); and making fun of black or white people as a race or making fun of characters because they are black or white. Also, I see no evidence it is 'hardcore left wingers' that are the cause of the ban. If anything, it seems more likely to be hardcore right wingers who don't want to acknowledge the past so prefer to pretend it doesn't exist Nil Einne 09:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screencaps

I have the entire Censored 11 collection. I'd be willing to write up some summaries and take some screen caps if anyone is interested. Would that fall under free-use or copyright? 70.25.46.159 16:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Karla

Some of them are public domain(i'm not sure if they all are), I think you can post screen caps of those ones. TJ Spyke 22:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Really? Perhaps you could post them on You tube & link them here, that'll be coolXD

I'd really be interested in seeing these cartoons. There are already some on Youtube, just search "Censored Eleven".EAB 00:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I hate to burst your bubble, but none of them are in the public domain. Since they were copyrighted in America, American copyright takes precedent over any other country's. How do I know? They were each pulled off of Youtube because of copyright infringement, something that requires the actual owners of the copyright to submit proof. And I'm pretty sure they won't get released until Mickey Mouse does. -- trlkly 09:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] International distribution?

This article appears only to relate to the USA, and doesn't mention overseas distribution of these cartoons. Does anyone know anything about this?

For one thing, I could have sworn I saw All This and Rabbit Stew on British television in the 1980s, but it may just be a case of faulty memory. (It could have been on a pirate VHS tape, come to think of it.) AdorableRuffian 21:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

All I know is it is technically now illegal to show them overseas, just like it is in America. Whether that concerned British TV in the '80s, I don't know. -- trlkly 09:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)