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[edit] Copyedit and POV

This article needs some work. Sentences such as "Over against the state and the worship of the Caesar stood as usual the Christian ideal of a rule and a citizenship not of this world, to which a thousand years were but as a day," need to be rewritten. I don't even know what this means. Also, the Section heading "Nature of Celsus' attack" might be POV. I am not sure... Accordingly, I will assess this as Start Class Argos'Dad 16:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is clearly written from a POV of Christina apologetics, possibly catholic. It needs to be made more neutral.--CRATYLUS22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.143.168 (talk) 19:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origen - political atmosphere

The section on the political atmosphere in which Origen wrote seems a little off-topic in this article on Celsus... maybe put it somewhere else, or shrink it down and not have a whole section devoted to it? It's a little jarring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.203.138 (talk) 15:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jedediah M Grant's account

I have moved here a short account of Celsus's views, which Artbulla had inserted into the article on Aulus Cornelius Celsus: an understandable error, since the Victorian author was under the impression that the 1st century medical writer and the 2nd century polemicist were the same person.

"[1]What does old Celsus say, who was a physician in the first century, whose medical works are esteemed very highly at the present time. His works on theology were burned with fire by the Catholics, they were so shocked at what they called their impiety. Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, "The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him." After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. For instance, John the beloved disciple, writes in his second Epistle, "Unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth." Again, he says, "Having many thing to write unto you (or communicate), I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full." Again--"The children of thy elect sister greet thee." This ancient philosopher says they were both John's wives." Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, Pg.345 - Pg.346, Jedediah M. Grant, August 7, 1853 [2]