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[edit] Operation Medak pocket

Please don't blank large sections of this article, while adding unreferenced and POV statements. - SimonP 04:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

POV means "point of view," it means that your edits are reflecting only one view of the affair while ignoring others. You are removing large sections of the article, without presenting any evidence that these sections are incorrect. For instance all of the specifics about the course of the battle. You are also making claims without providing any references. The information currently in the article is based on that provided in the references listed at the bottom. You have provided no specific references for your claims. - SimonP 14:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Please stop simply reverting this page. If any of the information is incorrect, please present some evidence to demonstrate this. - SimonP 04:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
That is an interesting article, but it does not disagree with anything in the Wikipedia page and agrees with most of it. The article simply makes clear that the Medak Pocket Operation must be understood in context of the wide conflict, and that there are open questions that need more study. It provides no justification for blanking most of the article. - SimonP 00:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make POV articles, publish them, don't use the wiki as your personal loudspeaker. please edit only on the Croatian wiki, as we do not have time here to correct your POV edits here, and you seem to only add the Croatian popular consensus (according to you) which is not NPOV nor factual in any way.

--Jadger 05:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

you are correct, none of your article isn't POV, which in case you did not realize it, is a double negative and just another way of saying you are POV pusher.

Again your english is severely lacking, as "we" does not signify a large group, only more then one, which it does as I am not the only one who has tried to stop your POV pushing.

and as for your list of books, you never did such a thing, and you have never once properly cited anything, only vaguely claimed it was the stance of the Croatian government. I did not know you were the official spokesman for the Croatian government. Congratulations, when did you get the job? (in case your english is even more lacking then you have shown, that is called sarcasm)

--Jadger 03:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

WTF are you talking about? I NEVER quoted Canadian soldiers, I quoted the UN article and the DND (department of national defense) page on the PPCLI, never once did I quote a POV person, I have only quoted from knowledgeable and credible groups that are respected the world over.

Now that I have run out of facts? I still have many more left, and atleast I started with facts and concrete proof, you on the other hand have only spouted hateful gibberish the whole time.

and yet again you do not properly cite a "source" so I cannot look it up properly. learn how to cite something instead of just spouting of random words pretending they are titles, or else someone can say that The Grimm fairy tale books contain proof that pigs can fly.

--Jadger 07:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I will answer your questions once you have answered mine, as I asked the questions first, and you simply sidetracked the discussion and turned it into a flaming war.

--Jadger 18:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Ceha, don't let them get you "out of the track". You're dealing here with heavy POV-pushers. Your criticizers are the persons who think that they (who live thousands of miles away) know better what was going on over here, better than us who lived here.
Have in mind that some people here have to defend their lies, so that their military salaries and pensions never came in question. What if someone finds out what really happened? Tega se oni bojidu.
Someone never won a war or a battle; the same ones were known for their losses and disastrous defeats. So, now, those ones have to "think up" battles, victories and someone else's defeats. And get some money for participating in a battle which never happened.
Navrati na hr.wiki, dat ćemo ti informacija. Kubura 10:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

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Sorry for any inconvenience. Regards, Mike Rosoft 16:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

  • In that case I am afraid the maps do not seem to be your original creations; rather, they are derivative works. (See Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ for the difference.) I am trying to find out what the copyright status of the original map images is. (The site [1] has no online contact to its administrators and no copyright information.) - Mike Rosoft 01:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stefan Dragutin

Koliko sam shvatio ti tražiš originalni dokument u kom je Stefan Dragutin od mađarskog kralja dobio teritorije. Ja nemam pojma gde to da nađeš, jer knjige koje ja imam o tome uglavnom navode drugu literaturu odakle je podatak uzet, a ne taj originalni dokument. PANONIAN (talk) 22:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Srem i Gorjanski

Nikola Gorjanski (Mikloš Garal) jeste vladao Sremom prema ovoj mapi Euratlasa:

To je jedina referenca koju imam o ovome za sada. PANONIAN (talk) 17:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Pa što se tiče "privremenog stanja" na kartama, u istorijskog kontekstu baš ne možemo koristiti tu reč "privremeno", jer čak i ako je jedna država vladala nekim područjem 200 ili 500 godina, pa posle toga više ne, i to bismo mogli okarakterisati kao "privremeno", kao i vlast drzave koja je negde vladala svega 2 meseca ili godinu dana. Poenta je da bismo na Vikipediji trebali koristiti jedan neutralan prikaz koji bi samo nabrojao ko je sve vladao jednim područjem i kada, i ne upuštati se u to ko je imao više "prava" da tu vlada, ko je bio "oslobodilac", a ko "okupator", itd. Dakle, jednostavno napišemo taj vladar (ili država) je vladao od tada do tada, drugi je vladao od tada do tada, treći od tada do tada, itd. Lepo i jednostavno i bez dokazivanja ko je bio veći i stariji. PANONIAN (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Što se tiče Slavonije i Srema, rekoh već da je problem što se te mape iz jugoslovenskog atlasa razlikuju od ovih mađarskih. Da bismo rešili problem, treba to istražiti bolje i navesti u kom je tačno vremenskom periodu Srem pripadao Slavoniji, a u kom užoj Mađarskoj. Na primer, na svim mapama Euratlasa je Srem deo uže Mađarske, a ne banovine Slavonije. Naravno, ne znači da je to tačno, jer koliko sam video, ima na tim mapama Euratlasa raznih drugih grešaka, ali prvo treba bolje proučiti šta je tu tačno. Na primer, u ovom starom jugoslovenskom atlasu koji ja imam hronologija ide ovako: u 11 i 12 veku je Srem deo uže Mađarske, dok je na mapi iz 1300 godine zapadni Srem (do Mitrovice) deo Slavonije, a takođe i na drugoj mapi iz 14 veka. Suprotno toj mapi, Euratlas pokazuje da je Sremom 1300 godine vladao Ugrin Čak (što potvrđuje i knjiga "Istorija Mađara", dok su banovinom Slavonijom u to vreme vladali Babonići. PANONIAN (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Mislim da nemamo isti atlas, ali su u svakom slučaju slični. Dakle, slažem se da treba napisati da su delovi Srema bili deo banovine Slavonije, ali treba navesti tačan vremenski period kada je to bilo. Ono što je sigurno to je da je današnji Srem tada bio podeljen na dve županije: Sremsku i Vukovarsku, i da je teritorija Vukovarske županije ta što je pripadala Slavoniji. Probaj da nađeš još podataka, pa ćemo to ubaciti. PANONIAN (talk) 23:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Revert

I've reverted your changes to Croatian Krajina because they were clearly not true. See the talkpage, and read the figures by the ICTY and the Croatian government. Everybody knows that most of the serbs feld during Operation Storm of Ante Gotovina. So it's kind of obvious that the region now has a Croat majority. But it had definately a Serb majority in the past. Maartenvdbent 13:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

From history of date page, you've given to me "The source "www.srpskapolitika.com" is a serbian nationalist website". As for validation of census in 1991 you can see the differences between censuses of 1991 and 1981 (when Republic of Croatia was still memer of the Yugoslavian Union, and you can see that they are pretty alike). Croatian Krajina was not only the territories which were later included in Serbian rebelion, but also other territories (whole of Lika, area around Karlovac, etc) in wich Croatians had more than 80%, and wich were hevilly populated. Please read more literature about this issue before you make more misaikes like this. Also, try to avoid words everbody knows, and clearly because they are not NPOV.

Ceha 22:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what is wrong with you... I did not give that source "www.srpskapolitika.com", I never even visited that website. I only quoted on the talk page of Croatian Krajina the article Republic of Serbian Krajina, on which are census data of ICTY and the Croatian government. Please look at that talk page before you make any changes.

What do you mean by word everybody knows? I really don't know what's your point...

I will quote the article Republic of Serbian Krajina here for you again. You can see that it includes the UNPA zones North and South, and sectors West and East. Even in the Croatian census the Serbs are the biggest minority in the overall total. Croats were never in the majority...

[edit] Demographics

By the start of the 1990s and before the war, about two thirds of the Krajina (later UNPA zones North and South- not Western or Eastern Slavonia) population was Serb. These Serbs accounted for about 29% of their total population in the then-SR Croatia. The increase in ethnic tensions caused the demographic proportions to shift markedly even before the fighting broke out.

The official census held in the spring of 1991, just before the war began, is recorded in Republic of Croatia statistics books, but not currently available online. Hence, there are two different sources for pre-war population distribution: the ICTY indictment against Milošević, given in the 1st table below, and the official Croatian data excerpted from the books, presented in the 2nd table.

The allocation of the population in the different parts of the RSK was, according to the ICTY source, as follows:

UNPA Zones
North and South		 UNPA Sector
West		 UNPA Sector
East		 Total
168,437 (67%) Serbs
70,708 (28%) Croats
13,101 (5%) others		 14,161 (60%) Serbs
6,864 (29%) Croats
2,577 (11%) others		 61,492 (32%) Serbs
90,454 (47%) Croats
40,217 (21%) others		 244,090 (52.15%) Serbs
168,026 (35.9%) Croats
55,895 (11.94%) others
(Source: ICTY)

However, the cited figures differ from those published in official Croatian census, which gives the following data:

UNPA Zones
North and South		 UNPA Sector
West		 UNPA Sector
East		 Total
169,906 (66.7%) Serbs
69,646 (28%) Croats
13,183 (5.5%) others		 35,206 (35.4%) Serbs
43,063 (43.3%) Croats
21,183 (21.3%) others		 57,208 (30.4%) Serbs
92,398 (49.1%) Croats
35,578 (20.5%) others		 258,320 (48.16%) Serbs
205,107 (38.24%) Croats
72,944 (13.6%) others

Both calculations does not include "rose zones" (zones outside UNPA, but inside RSK). These zones are usually with much bigger percentage of Serbs than UNPA zones. Examples of rose zones include Medak, Vrlika, Teslingrad, Vrhovine, and Plaski. The largest discrepancy is in the UNPA Sector West, which might refer to the fact that this zone originally included large patches of western Slavonia (areas around Grubišno Polje, Daruvar, Pakrac and the western slopes of Papuk), but these weren't controlled by the RSK in the later stages of the war. Maartenvdbent 10:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Serbs from rebelled areas (no Krajina, a bunch of areas has names Krajina, like Imotska, Sinjska, Cetinska, Omiška...) have been evacuated. That was planned and organized evacuation.
If someon doubts you that, than here are the sources.
This order is given from the rebel Serb top authority on the day of Operation Storm. 5. August 1995.

  • RSK, Vrhovni savjet odbrane, Knin, 4. avgust 1995., 16.45 časova, Broj 2-3113-1/95. Faksimil ovog dokumenta objavljen je u/The faximile of this document was published in: Rade Bulat "Srbi nepoželjni u Hrvatskoj", Naš glas (Zagreb), br. 8.-9., septembar 1995., p. 90.-96. (faksimil je objavljen na stranici 93./the faximile is on the page 93.).

Vrhovni savjet odbrane RSK (The Supreme Council of Defense of Republic of Serb Krajina) brought a decision 4. August 1995 in 16.45. This decision was signed by Milan Martić and later verified in Glavni štab SVK (Headquarters of Republic of Serb Krajina Army) in 17.20.

These orders are given two days before the Operation Storm, 02. August 1995.

  • RSK, Republički štab Civilne zaštite, Broj: Pov. 01-82/95., Knin, 02.08.1995., HDA, Dokumentacija RSK, kut. 265

This is the document of Republic headquarters of Civil Protection of RSK. In this document it was ordered to all subordinated headquaters of RSK to immediately give all reports about preparations for the evacuation, sheltering and taking care of evacuated civilians (evakuacija, sklanjanje i zbrinjavanje) (the deadline for the report was 3. August 1995 in 19 h).

  • RSK, Republički štab Civilne zaštite, Broj: Pov. 01-83/95., Knin, 02.08.1995., Pripreme za evakuaciju materijalnih, kulturnih i drugih dobara (The preparations for the evacuation of material, cultural and other goods), HDA, Dokumentacija RSK, kut. 265

This was the next order from the Republican HQ of Civil Protection. It was referred to all Municipal Headquaters of Civil Protection. In that document was ordered to all subordinated HQ's to implement the preparation of evacuation of all material and all mobile cultural goods, archives, evidentions and materials that are highly confidential/top secret, money, lists of valuable stuff (?)("vrednosni popisi") and referring documentations.

  • Drago Kovačević, "Kavez - Krajina u dogovorenom ratu" , Beograd 2003. , p. 93.-94.

Note: Drago Kovačević was during the existence of so-called RSK the minister of informing and the mayor of Knin (the capitol of self-proclaimed state)

  • Milisav Sekulić, "Knin je pao u Beogradu" , Bad Vilbel 2001., p. 171.-246., p. 179.

Note: Milisav Sekulić was a high military officer of "Srpska vojska Krajine" (Republic of Serb Krajina Army).

  • Marko Vrcelj, "Rat za Srpsku Krajinu 1991-95" , Beograd 2002., p. 212.-222.

Note: Marko Vrcelj was a military officer of JNA (later named: Vojska Jugoslavije - Army of FR Yugoslavia). During the wartime 1991-95, he was on the various military functions in "Srpska vojska Krajine" (Republic of Serb Krajina Army).
Hope this'll help you. Kubura 10:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consent of the West

Mogao bih navesti ozvor, koji je uostalom vec poznata knjiga Death of Yugoslavia. Ne diram clanak dok ne odgovorite. --VKokielov 02:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Croatian Krajina --VKokielov 22:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] your post on my user page

yes I doubt the theory of evolution, but because it is simply a theory, and people have now taken it on as a new religion, substituting it for the other religions and following it just as fundamentally and attacking people for not believing the same thing as them. I do think that for the most part it is true, but as they say nothing comes from nothing and so, how can you evolve from not existing? there still has to be a beginning, which evolution does not explain. I am a deist, believing that something created us then we evolved from then on into what we are now. IN this way, I am more agnostic, as the Theory of Evolution has instead of providing an alternative to religion, has become a religion in itself to some people.

Also, I would prefer if you do not attack me for my beliefs, and call em derogatory names.

--Jadger 18:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I never stated it attacked religion originally, I know that very well, Darwin had originally planned to be a minister.

Why would almity [sic] being needed to create a miracle, when it can just pair few mothers and fathers create a mutation which helps that specices to better adapt to its enviroment? Ceha 10:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC) where would these fathers and mothers come from? there must be a beginning, they simply didn't poof exist. nothing comes from nothing

If you would read my above statement, I am a deist, I believe something more powerful created the world, and the world has evolved from this beginning. This act of evolving would also have had to of been created by the more powerful being.

--Jadger 19:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Vojvodina

Why have you been arguing over Vojvodina so much? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

So, you won't give me any specifics, eh? ;) --HolyRomanEmperor 21:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Maps of BiH

While the information on the population statistics cannot be copyrighted, the map themselves can be. Since you said you created those images, I replaced "PD-inelligible" with "PD-self". Subst:nsd 09:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem

Mislim da si ti kod članka o Sremskoj Mitrovici napisao da je između 1929 i 1931 bila deo Drinske banovine. Međutim pogledaj ovo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Banovine_kj.jpg Tu piše da je ta mapa nacrtana 1930, što znači da je Mitrovica već tada pripadala Dunavskoj banovini. Odakle ti podatak da je pripadala Drinskoj banovini? PANONIAN (talk) 22:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Evo ti i originalni izvor za tu mapu gde kaže da ona pokazuje granice iz 1929 (a ja ne vidim da Mitrovica tu pripada Drinskoj banovini): http://pubwww.srce.hr/hpm/p0259002.htm PANONIAN (talk) 23:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OK

Odgovaram - naljutio sam se samo zato sto si mahinalno izbrisao mnogo recenica. Nema frke. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

E, samo nemoj stavljati tvoju verziju - mislim, jednostavno je uklanjanje je ipak vandalizam. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Evo - uno momento (ajd' vidi tamo). E i da, nije Srpska Pravoslava Crkva dala meni info - vec Rimokatolicka (Vatikan) :) --HolyRomanEmperor 23:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your contribution to Municipal election in Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1990

Thank you for your contributions to this article. However, I must suggest that you refrain from referring to yourself directly on the article (as you did while adding image comments). It goes against encyclopedical tone. Regards. --Húsönd 20:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demografija

Pozdrav. Hoću nešto da te pitam u vezi ove tvoje mape: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1991_BiH_towns.GIF Da li imaš detaljne podatke o etničkom sastavu gradova Doboj i Bosanski Brod po popisu iz 1991? Znači podatke koliko je ukupno stanovnika bilo u gradu i koliko je od toga Srba, Hrvata, Muslimana, Jugoslovena, itd. Ako imaš te podatke, bilo bi lepo da ih napišemo u člancima o ta dva grada. PANONIAN (talk) 13:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, znači tako si dobio podatke? Hm, mislim da to baš nije najtačniji metod. Znam već za taj veb sajt odakle si uzimao podatke, ali problem je u tome što ako je na primer neko naselje u opštini Doboj označeno slovom g, to samo znači da je to naselje gradskog tipa, a ne da je deo samog grada Doboja. U toj opštini su slovom g označena sledeća naselja: Bare, Centar, Čaršija, Doboj Novi, Donji Grad, Orašje i Usora. Ne mora da znači da su sve ovo delovi grada Doboja, već je možda neko od njih posebno gradsko naselje u dobojskoj opštini. Znam sigurno da su na popisu iz 2002 u Srbiji slovom g označavana i takva naselja. Na primer u opštini Novi Sad, slovom g su označena naselja Novi Sad, Petrovaradin, Sremska Kamenica i Futog, a od toga su samo prva tri deo gradskog područja Novog Sada, dok je Futog potpuno posebno gradsko naselje. Dakle, jesi li siguran da su sve ono delovi grada Doboja a ne posebna gradska naselja? PANONIAN (talk) 22:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject South Park

I have thought of creating a WikiProject for South Park since it is now near its' 10th anniversary and has more articles than ever. I feel we could all do the following things through this project:

  • Cleanup any short/poorly written/unformatted articles
  • Merge/lengthen the many character articles
  • Improve the South Park main page

I have seen your South Park fan template and wondered if you were interested in joining. If so reply to my talk page and I'll get back to you as quick as I can. Thanks, Mr. Garrison

[edit] WikiProject South Park page

We have our own page! Wikipedia:WikiProject South Park. Be sure to list your name in the members section. Mr. Garrison 18:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Juraj Julije Klović

Hello. Go to the talk page of Juraj Julije Klović and help out with the discussion. A fanatical Italian user keeps on inserting his POV/nationalism into the article, and has now requested the page be moved to "Giorgio Giulio Clovio" - which is false as the man was a Croat and was born in Croatia. There is a vote on the rename happening on the talk page. Please help, as he is canvassing for votes from other Italian users.

[edit] I ne samo Klović

Ne znam da li si primjetio ili bilo tko drugi ali talijanski nacionalist Giovanni Giove i njegov dezurni zastitnik i mecena Aldux rade ogromnu reviziju clanaka hrvatskih povijesnih licnosti iz Dalmacije, ponajprije onih koji su radili i djelovali u Dubrovackoj Republici i Mlecanskoj Dalmaciji. Pogledaj samo listu: Frane Petrić, Andrija Medulić, Benedikt Kotruljević, Stjepan Gradić, Ivan Lučić, Ivan Duknović, Joakim Stulli, Ivan Lupis, Juraj Dalmatinac, Rudjer Josip Bošković...itd, lista se nastavlja. Tko je sljedeci? Junije Palmotić? Ivan Gundulić? Faust Vrančić? Marin Držić? Marko Marulić? --Anon

Tenks Promijenio sam par stvari, a ako i ti vidiš nešto, evo ti par preporuka u čemu su direktno protiv wikipedijine politike. 1)Imena. Ako je neki autor znan bolje pod hrvatskim imenom u engleskom govornom području, upotrebljava se hrvatsko ime. Isto vrijedi i za gradove. Ne može ti neko pisat svako malo Zara... Može staviti na početku da je grad tada bio poznat kao Zara, no na svakom sljedećem pojavljivanju mora pisati Zadar. 2)Ne mogu stavljati Italian painter itd, ako nemaju dokaza o talijanskoj etničkoj pripadnosti. Mogu staviti painter of Italian renessance (tako je napravljeno na Jurju Dalmatincu).(Pripazi kako su s druge strane svi autori iz Dubrovnika stavljeni pod Ragusan, a ne pod Croat, što je isto ne viđeno licemjerje...) 3)Venecijska republika nije talijanska pokrajina! U sastavu tog entiteta su bili djelovi današnje Turske, Cipra, Grčke, Albanije, Crne Gore i Hrvatske. Sve osobe koje su s rodile u njoj nisu Talijani! Kada se stavlja ime grada može se staviti da je tada bio dio venecijske Dalmacije, a nikako frazu koju oni koriste (which is now in Croatia). Nije ovo što je sad prolazno>:) 4)Tražiti potkrepu bilo koje promjene koju rade. Neki verificirani link

To bi manje više bilo to. Ne može te neko nazvati nacionalistom, a sam biti talijanski irendetist. Za imena manje-više ne znam, al isto ne daj se navuči da te isprovociraju u neku raspravu za koju nisi spreman (vidio sam da je Aldux izbrisao na Francescu Patrizziu Factanistino i samo spominjanje hrvatskog imena Petrić, što je ...) Ak vidiš što, obavijesti me:) Ceha 0:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Pa recimo problem je u tome da se radi o licimjerju. Ako je npr. Joakim Stulli "Ragusan" onda je i Franciscus Patricius "Venetian", ne mozemo biti selektivni. Uostalom Patriciusa sami Mlecani nazivaju Hrvatom. Meldolla takodjer isto tako, covjek je uzeo nadimak "Il Schiavone" sto znaci "Slaven", ovaj to mijenja u "Dalmatinac" sto je smijesno. To je ono sto me smeta. Ako se isti kriterj primjenjuje na clancima Marko Polo i Julije Klovic onda se to treba isto primjenjivati svuda. Dakle radi se o sljedecem: spomenuti clanci trebaju imati sljedece: hrvatsku verziju imena i hrvatske kategorije (ex: Croatian painter stub, itd.) i naravno maknuti reference tipa 'Italian' ili 'Croatian' i staviti 'Venetian' ili 'Ragusan' ili ih maknuti uopce ako je to problem. Dakle samo se treba primjenjivati isto pravilo kao i kod Polo i Clovio clanaka. I ovog Giove'a treba sprijeciti vec vise, covjek je poznati rasist sa news grupa, ponajprije sam ga susretao na soc.culture.croatia gdje je redovno pljuvao po Hrvatima i opcenito po slavenima. Covjek je fasist. -Anon
Potpuno se slažem. Treba se primjentiti ono što se dogovorilo i to je to. A taj lik je zbilja pun bisera...

Ceha 0:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] For Khoikhoi

{unblock|I am not nobody's sockpuppet. I'm on wikipedia since 2005 and I can not see how somebody can accuse me of something and just block me out without any valid reason. My entrence to Internet is via modem and my internet provider is through college of computer and electronics in Zagreb. Could that explain similar IP adressess?} Khoikhoi has reverted all of my contributions about Croatians in Dalmatia, my contributions on the talk pages, why were some pages reverted, and then he blockes me out of his page, so I coud not tell him anything which I think about. And all of this with explanation that I am an "sockpuppet of banned user Afrika paprika, based on contributions" I've been on wikipedia (which can been seen from my contributions since November 2005). How can somebody just come and turn me off? Ceha 23:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I've contacted Khoikhoi and asked for clarification. Your account being actually older than that of Afrika paprika himself does make me doubt, I must say. Fut.Perf. ☼ 01:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conditional unblock

I suppose I should give you a second chance, but please be aware that you were blocked in the first place because your contributions closely resembled that of the banned user Afrika paprika. As I discussed with Fut.Perf., WP:SOCK states:

The Arbitration Committee has ruled that, for the purpose of dispute resolution, when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sock puppets, or several users acting as meatpuppets, they may be treated as one individual.

However, on the condition that you not revert the articles anymore, and you to get consensus for your edits, and not revert the articles that you've been edit warring on, I will unblock you. Agreed? Khoikhoi 07:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Deal. As you can see from my earlier contributions I always wanted to have some kind of agreement with others. Also I would like to ask you for your help (or point me to my error, if my behavior is contrary to the wikipedian rules).

Most of the things which I edited had something to do with Croatians in Dalmatia. In the talk pages of Giulio Clovio we disscused and agreed to use the name which is mostly known in english speaking world. Is that rule ok? Why are those cities called in their Italian names, when they are mostly known in english under their Croatian ones (which are also very old?)

Just a few thoughts... Ceha 11:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, as per the "deal", I'm unblocking (as Khoikhoi is probably not online this time of the day.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

Considering the circumstances (no activity, then just a vote on my RfA - I'm not saying that you were invited, but considering the situation it seems so; and due to the nature of ethnic-driven votes), could please present which POV history and how long ago? --PaxEquilibrium 08:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, could you please provide direct links to evade confusion behind your vote.
Thanks in advance. A million cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 19:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Could you reply please? --PaxEquilibrium 15:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Please provide context

This is with regards to two articles you have recently created, BiH Croats 1991‎ and Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1953-1961‎: please remember to provide a context when writing an article, for those readers unfamiliar with the subject. Wikipedia is not a gallery of maps. AecisBrievenbus 23:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which means that the articles are based on text, not on images. An article needs a text to outline the situation, in this case the position of the Croat community in Bosnia and Hercegovina at a certain time. The images only serve to illustrate that text. They can't be the body of the article.
I also fail to see how these articles are necessary on Wikipedia. We've already got the article Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina. What information is in BiH Croats 1991‎ and Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1953-1961‎ that can't be mentioned in Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina? AecisBrievenbus 23:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I can't say I'm convinced by your argument why this information can't be included in Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina, but if you believe that this information needs a separate article, then I suggest you write the text of the articles BiH Croats 1991‎ and Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1953-1961‎. At the moment, the two articles could be speedied for criteria A1 (no context) and A3 (no content). I won't speedy the articles and I won't nominate them for speedy deletion at the moment, because I want to give you the chance to write the articles. But I can't give you the guarantee that another admin will feel about this the same way. AecisBrievenbus 00:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It appears that you haven't edited the articles involved, BiH Croats 1991‎, Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1971-1991‎ and Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1953-1961‎, since September 16. I would like to repeat that the articles may be deleted from Wikipedia in their current state. If you want to see the articles kept, you may want to improve them. In their current state, I would recommend merging the three articles into the article Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina. If you have any questions or need help with anything, please leave me a message on my talk page. AecisBrievenbus 23:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

I saw some outstanding maps of Bosnia that you made. Where did you get the data for them? Do you have the 1953 census data? (LAz17 23:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] Help on Jajce

user:Visca el barca is constantly vandalising Jajce by deleteing sourced information. Can you help fix the problem. Franjo r 13:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Presumable Croatian and Muslem percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities in 2005

I have deleted the page you created, "Presumable Croatian and Muslem percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities in 2005" under the speedy criteria A1 and A3 since it was not a proper article. Instead of creating an image gallery in the article space, you should look for ways to integrate your images into existing articles. I have not deleted the maps themselves since they appear to meet th relevant policies. Eluchil404 19:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

The articles I mentioned above, Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1953-1961, ‎Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1971-1991‎ and BiH Croats 1991‎, haven't been improved in well over a month. I have proposed merging them into Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina. You are invited to join the discussion, at Talk:Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina#Merge proposal. AecisBrievenbus 12:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Italy

Do not confuse the Italian state and Italy. Italian state has been created in 1861. Italy as geographical and political place exists since the time of the Roman Republic. That was discussed hundreds of time. Hundreds of articles report Milan, Italy, Roma-Italy, and so on, even for the time of the Roman Empire. Plz! Finnaly, do not revert all if you do not like a single point, correct just the single point! Tx.--Giovanni Giove 12:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC) I do not want to repeat what I've already written in Raguseo's talk page. Grts.--Giovanni Giove 22:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Pleas list your complains in a neutral way, in the proper talk page (talk:Roger Boscovich). No personal attacks: you have claimed that I put "Italy" everywhere.... that is simply not true (and in the present case, I put it beside "Milan"!!!!!!). Just read WP:AGF. It is true: Dubrovnik is official now, but we are talkinh about the historical name, that is recognised to be "Ragusa", even by Croats. You need to read the rules for historical names: can you find them alone? Then write your complains. Regards.--Giovanni Giove 09:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to kosovo history

Yes, you are quite right, back then Bosnia was a small region around the river Bosna, which is but a small portion of modern Bosnia now. Regards Hxseek 23:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just to let you know...

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Giovanni_Giove/personale

AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your contributions, your patience with finding good sources and for remaining calm despite the edit warring and being personally attacked by Bosnianjustice. I guess there is nothing more than be done, you've presented and defended your case in a way such that every unbiased editor will be sure to agree with you. Bosnianjustice is most probably not going to back down, the more sources you present, the more he resorts to personal abuses. I understand that it must be testing, but I really appreciate that you've remained so calm and factual in the face of this. Keep up the good work! JdeJ (talk) 13:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Syrmia

ALL sources (e.g. read Željko Fajfrić's Sveta loza Nemanjića, Vladimir Ćorović's Istorija srpskog naroda or Konstantin Jireček's Geschichte Serbiens) state that. AFAIK, Dragutin reigned the Kingdom of Serbia and Milutin the Kingdom of Rascia, to make the difference between the two Nemanyiden realms.

I don't understand what you mean by "why is it important" or the other? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 21:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not just the title of the King, it appears that Dragutin also reigned most eastern "Syrmia proper". It's claimed by modern historians and it is found in two contemporary historians, one Anonymous Western scribe and a medieval biographer of Dragutin.
But that's not true. The twe realms indeed were called that way. In then's sources it was Servia for Dragutin and Rashka for Milutin's realm. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 08:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Possibly, but no explicit mention of Zemun.
They are, in the Serbs of Vojvodina article I think. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 08:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S. He (Dragutin) also had some properties over at Mount Frygian. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 10:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
One thing is to have private properties in another state and another thing is that this properties are part of that state. For example I will use Henry II of England which has been king of England, duke of Normandy, duke of Gascoine and duke of Aquitania. All 3 duchy has been French territory controled by French duke (Henry). In modern serbian mythology if duke of Hungarian kingdom is of serbian nationality this territory is called Serbia. Returning to question of Dragutin and eastern Syrmia I stay with comment that he has not ruled north of river Sava because there is official pages of any towns which are saying different. Obscure books are not important. --Rjecina (talk) 15:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Well I pointed out properties, didn't I? :) This (reign over eastern Syrmia) is no Serbian mythology (I don't think except the Kosovo myth that it is greatly worked out, beyond the ancient Slavic one) and what is important, it is documented in sources that are not "obscure" books. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Demography

Well yeah, this refers to, the early modern period. :)
The West Bosnia, back then, wasn't really Bosnia. :)
Orthodox majority is documented in general, in Herzegovina and in Bosnia. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 08:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, will do tomorrow in the evening when I reopen my historical archive to see from where I took those percentages. :)
I thought Turkish Croatia is already mentioned in the article? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 08:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
No, sorry, not quite fully free these days. Just put a tag and/or comment the part out, and I'll get to it as soon as I find spare time. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tvrtko

No where did it say that all of Tvrtko's inhabitants were Serbs. ;)

What do you mean by "just small pieces of it's kingdom were parts of Nenjić nomains"? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: deleted maps

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, links always help. : - ) That page was deleted as it was an orphaned talk page (a talk page of a page that doesn't exist anymore). (WP:CSD#G8.) The image had been deleted, so the talk page was as well. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Don't worry

Don't worry, I won't delete anything. I will merge the content of the three articles into the main article. The history of the articles is still visible: BiH Croats 1991, Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1971-1991 and Croatian percentage in Bosnian-Herzegovian municipalities 1953-1961. I will use the next few days to study the content of these three articles, to find a way to write a good text for the main article. AecisBrievenbus 23:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina sandbox

I have just created a sandbox in my userspace, to write the content that can be merged into Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina. If you want to, you can help at User:Aecis/Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina sandbox. AecisBrievenbus 12:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)