User talk:Cederal

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[edit] Our edit war on Hamas

You decided to remove my addition:

Palestinian rights, according to the Hamas include the right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to Israel. This will result in the dissolution of the jewish state.

Claiming it was "unsouced and editorializing". I do feel however, that these are important statements, that need to be given, at least as a possible interpretation of the offer. As it is, the article is misleading in that it does not even mention such an interpretation.

Surely, as an expert on the Palestinian refugee issue, you realize that the Hamas would never give it up - they never claimed they will, and have often said the opposite! Cederal (talk) 14:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Cederal,

First of all, we are not in an edit war, but in the normal process of WP:BRD. The Palestinian right of return is already mentioned no more than three times in the article. I don't think adding it a fourth time, at the end of a section in which it was already featured, improves the article in any way. Finally, the statement "This will result in the dissolution of the jewish state." is unsourced and commentary and does not belong in the article.

Cheers, pedro gonnet - talk - 07.03.2008 15:18

adding sources to trivial contents is harmful to the article, as it makes it cumbersome. Anyone who read a bit about the conflict and it's solutions knows very well that Israel objects to the right of return for that reason.

This piece of commentary is necessary, as any reader of this article asks him/herself if Hamas has indeed offered a viable ceasefire proposal. Without this commentary, many readers unversed in the conflict, may mistakenly think that Hamas has made a genuine offer, and that Israel has no reason to refuse. Surely, this is pertinent information.

Quoting the right of return article:

Impact on Israel

If all the Palestinian refugees and their descendants (estimates range between 5 and 8 million people) were to return to their original home within Israel this would lead to a demographic shift which would end Israel's status as a Jewish state, as Israel's current population is composed of about 5.8 million Jews and 1.3 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian Arabs. This is the justification for Israel's continued refusal to honor the Palestinian "right of return."

Even if a smaller number of refugees were to return, as little as one million, this would still alter Israel's character as a Jewish state. A very large majority of Jewish Israelis find this prospect unacceptable.

• no citation needed here. It's "well known".

Basically, as a compromise, can we have:

Palestinian rights, according to the Hamas include the right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to Israel.[citation needed] Many Israelis believe that this will result in the dissolution of the jewish state, and find it unacceptable.