Talk:Cedd
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Why is Cedd listed as a "Roman Catholic" missionary/bishop? The article itself surely makes it clear that he was never happy with his return to the Roman tradition, and he is an important figure in the Celtic tradition of the north of England. Hackloon 00:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Although I wrote this stub I did not clasify it. I will point out that Cedd did not "return" to the Roman tradition. He did however adopt the Roman tradition after Whitby. He was sent as a missonary bishop to Mercia, though this predated Whitby according to Bede. Joe Dixon (13.4.2006}
Cedd was a Bishop of the universal church. He had died before the split between east and west in 671. pw123
Cedd survived the Synod of Whitby by only a few months, being succeeded as abbot of Lastingham by his brother Chad. There is no real evidence that he ever actually adopted Roman practices or norms in that short period, nor that he didn't, apart from a bald statement by Bede. Certainly Chad continued to flout them, seeking episcopal ordination from bishops who were not themselves recognized as apostolic by Rome, and Bede quite clearly tells us that Chad continued the traditions he had received from Cedd. Whether you call Cedd and Chad Catholic, Orthodox, Roman or Celtic will largely depend on your own theological and political loyalties. The same goes for when you date the East/West schism.Sjwells53 19:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bishop of London?
The article List of bishops of London links here, listing Cedd as the second post-Augustinian bishop of London. Is this the same person? Why is this position not mentioned here? Rojomoke 22:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Probably an oversight. Bede says he was consecrated "Bishop of the East Saxons", as does this article. That seems to be assumed, on what grounds I don't know, to be the same thing as "Bishop of London". The Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England entry for Cedd is here. Of the thirteen references to him as a bishop, two I can't check, and ten say "of the East Saxons", leaving only one which definitely says "of London". Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The Northumbrian bishops of the "Celtic" tradition were itinerant missionaries sent to an ethnic group. Hence Cedd was bishop of the East Saxons, Chad bishop of the Mercians and Lindsey people, etc. Even Bede, writing sixty or seventy years later, always uses the ethnic designations. Territorial bishoprics were a Continental phenomenon, promoted by the Papacy - obviously more appropriate to a settled, Christian society. The Augustinian mission brought the diocesan idea to England and it largely prevailed under Archbishop Theodore of Tarsus, after 669. However, the later dioceses liked to trace their origins as far back into antiquity as possible and tended to read back the situation of their own days into earlier times. Hence London could plausibly claim Cedd because London is in Essex, while the diocese of Lichfield generally claims Chad as its founder.Sjwells53 19:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
That said, I don't know why someone has linked this page to a list of Bishops of Lincoln. I can't see even the remotest connection here. Can anyone?Sjwells53 18:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
