Talk:Caudillo

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This article is horrendously written. It has plenty of mistakes in grammar and just plain typos. Can somebody get on this? If not, I'll see what I can do when I have more time.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Anvilman (talk • contribs) 21:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

This article, though a good start, reads like a POV endorsement of caudillismo. In addition to the statement "[They] were very liberal leaders," how about adding something about their brutal authoritarianism? What about the fact that many Mexicans even today resent Santa Anna, for example, as a pusillanimous opportunist? Someone with a grasp of Latin American history should re-write this article to give it NPOV.

The word itself means "man on horseback,"

This is patently false. The provenance of the word is the Latin capitellus, meaning "small head", and this is reflected in the Spanish page for 'caudillo'. rone 23:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

comes from a previous military standing

No, in many cases they were just landowners with no previous combat experience and their armies were the gauchos of their estancias.

The Caudillos were reformist.

If this means they were keen on preserving the status-quo, yes, they were reformists. Deleted POV paragraphs.

[Rosas] used his strong charisma to unify the country. is a joke. "Rosas rose" is funnier, though.

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[edit] Medieval

Wasn't caudillo used for Medieval troop leaders? I think that Cid and Pelayo are sometimes described as caudillos. And even the pre-Roman Viriathus. And probably when Franco named himself caudillo he was after the Medieval meaning, not the American one. -- Error

Described by whom?
Spanish Wikipedia uses it for Goth leaders. -- Error 02:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yes, in 19th and 20th-century Spanish, Attila would be a caudillo too.
How old is the word caudillo?
You made me open the DCECeH: Latin capitellum. 1st documentation: cabdiello in Gonzalo de Berceo, caudillo around 1300 in the Gran Conquista de Ultramar. -- Error 02:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Have you been reading very many pre-1800 accounts of El Cid then? Wetman 01:25, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Not really, but Google is my friend: Eugenio de Tapia: un análisis del Cantar de Mío Cid en 1838, a commentary on a 1838 analysis of the Cantar de Mío Cid that tells:
Tal es la entrada del Cid en Burgos cuando va desterrado, el silencio de la ciudad, el terror de sus habitantes asomados a las ventanas para ver pasar al caudillo, sin atreverse a hablarle; el desamparo de
-- Error 02:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
So at the time of the Latin American caudillos, the word was being applied retroactively to El Cid, etc. Good stuff! Get your research into the entry, it's just what it needs! 05:32, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio?

Several sentences are very similar to those at The Columbia Encyclopedia. -- Error 02:20, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Uh-oh. Pull them out to Discussion and we'll rework them. Wetman 05:34, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The modern caudillo is referred to as "president."

(Hugo Chávez is never referred to as "el caudillo.")

In many contemporary history books, leaders like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavéz are called "caudillos." Can we have a definition of the modern usage of the term? In this article, caudillo seems to refer to a very specific profile. -Saman

[edit] Tag calling for "sections"

Is this a joke? There are only seven paragraphs of text, not counting a single sentence opener! --Wetman 23:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)