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[edit] Restoral of my Discussion Page, as far as humanly possible!

Someone, or somebody, an "m-5 unit" or "sockpuppet", (as yet unknown), sabatched my Talkpage here, however it is known they are from the slimy www.trekweb.com, (they are thinking wrongly as usual, for some of that group are well known madmen and women)...now this time they mistakenly had me pegged as someone named "little sheba"..I am not them, yet pity them, that "little sheba", even though that person did seemingly "borrow" from me from time to time, I didnt mind that, but I do mind the sabatage by their enemys there, they did to her what they tried to do to me...destroy me..the fuckers, So hang in there Sheba!...your better than them, and as you wrote me, you and your Sim friend seem tight?, So why dont you and he start your own trek group somewhere?, geee I'd even be happy to join with you, unique people, and IP's, and btw, I have not had anything to do with that argumentative and childish trekweb page whatsoever!, It's been over 5 years since I last heard of, or even read that page.

(Cathytreks 17:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)) _____________________

YeP but cathI you are my g-d cousin, and plus I know for a fact that you live in either the university district, or the capital hill district of seattle wa! so dont be claimin you take care of the bachelder grave in nh, cuz you kno me and sarah here in portsmouth do all the g-d work!, so far as we iz concerned you not even family no mo since you left us all 17 years ago to hang out with them canadian aussies and newd zeeland tipes. (coolmcrue 18:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC) _____________________

ROTFLMAO. Battle on little sheba! (This comment was made by Wikipedia User:88.108.195.104, That is IP# 88.108.195.104)

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[edit] Your Damned Right User: 88.108.195.104!

Your damned right User 88.108.195.104, And I am glad to see my "sister in heart", "L'il Sheba" still battlin on other kick ass BB's elsewhere, so take that, you slime trolls and typically hypocritical trekweb motherfuckers and screwballs...

....so Wikipedia User: 88.108.195.104,

Thank you again for posting and being on the side of "fair-play", and lets ask all the jealously insane trekweb bastards(s)who fucked up my discussion page recently, for some unknown reason, to go away and leave me alone for at least another 5 years?, I would thank you so much, [[1]]!

"Naughty!" Shatner/Kirk continued ....

...."And youv'e got the gall....to....make! love!....to that woman!" he continued, "you should be sqwating on a mushroom Spawk!, right...next....to....the....dog-faced....boy!"

Kirk's lover looked amused (for a Vulcan) and bemused...."

(Cathytreks 19:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Abraham Lincoln

How could Lincoln's "death" photo possibly be real when it clearly shows him with a beard - a beard he did not have when he was shot? Rklawton 00:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, please don't blank out other people's comments in article's talk pages. It's considered vandalism. Rklawton 00:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

IT WAS VANDALS WHO GOT MY PASSWORD AND RUINED MY PAGE! SECONDLY LINCOLN DID HAVE HIS BEARD WHEN HE WAS SHOT. (Cathytreks 18:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

You can clearly see in the photo dated April 10, 1865 that he did not. Why do you persist?
I am saddened by this as I am a family friend of the surviving John B. Bachelder family members , I live only 2 miles from where the photographer, the man who too the death photo, who is buried in Nottingham N.H., (I am the caretaker of the small family cemetary there in fact) Perhaps you seemingly missed the fact that it was the Bachelder family themselves who reported that John retouched the photo of Lincoln in his beard area itself, so that he would look more "himself"...I WOULD ask of you to read THE BOOK done with the co-operation of the Bachelder family itself regarding the authentic history of the photograph..it is not a hoax, nor a fake, it was taken in a hurry by Bachelder , as a reference photo only...for a future painting he colaberated on with another artist of the period, Alonzo Chappel.
Please Robert?, wont you at the least check me out on this?, you will see my honesty..sorry about our previous squabbles...and I promise that I will be more considerate of you, Sir, and your feelings.

BEST REGARDS...REALLY! Cathy (Cathytreks 16:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC))

Hi Cathy. Please read wiki policies again. You are violating two of them. First, there are no private web pages here. Second, as far as your report that the family has stated the photo has been retouched, it sounds like you want to present your own research in this matter, and that's another violation of wiki policy. All information in wikipedia must be verifiable. Rklawton 16:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Legal Threats

Legal threats are not allowed on Wikipedia. I suggest you remove this immidiately or this is grounds for a ban. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You have been blocked for persisting in making legal threats against editors and Wikipedia. (ESkog)(Talk) 18:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Also this....I am sorry, I honestly didnt know you couldnt even mention the word "suit" or bringing lawyers into a matter...I feel insulted, and by the way...I am only trying to tell the whole truth and not cover it up like jpgordon and others have, wont anybody stick up for me? (Cathytreks 18:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC))
The no legal threats page explains why they are not allowed, they are not constructive in building an encyclopaedia. Wikipedia offers various forms of dispute resolution for helping with resolving content disputes in a constructive manner. --pgk(talk) 18:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Again...I am really sorryabout this, and having read it now and calmed down quite a bit I can see where I was in the wrong, I promise not to ever use such terms or wording...I let my emotions over a very important issue to me, get the best of me...I am sorry, and offer up apolgys all around.
I value Wikipeadia, but sometimes some things and some people have raised my ire ...sorry but i'm only human...forgive me my feelings have been hurt terribly over the Lincoln issue...I feel devastated. (Cathytreks 18:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Fair use images

Fair use images cannot be used in userpages. As such, I have removed Image:All_Our_Yesterdays_Nova.jpg from your userpage. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

THANKS ALOT....BY THE WAY...THAT IS MY PHOTO I PUT INTO WIKIPEADIA AND I CAN AND WILL REMOVED IT OR TAKE IT OUT AS I SEE FIT...Your an obvious Troll and a troulblemaker..I remember you causeing me grief last year your a piece of work, that you are... (Cathytreks 18:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

The photo is not yours, or at least that isn't the copyright status it is marked with. Fair use images can only be used in certain situations according to copyright law, user pages unfortunately aren't one of those situations. [commons.wikimedia.org Wikipedia Commons] contains lots of free images which can be used if you want to find an alternative. --pgk(talk) 18:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't remember ever having interacted with you before. Anyway, stop with the incivility, or this talk page will be protected so that you can't continue to insult me. Just learn from the block, move on, and nobody will hold anything against you. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

This has been a very very bad day for me....jpgordon has repeatedly removed my edits done entirely in good faith by me, and after what I saw he did today..well I guess I blew my stack!..I am sorry...really..al around....is there any way I can block that one persons messages and edits so I do not have to see or hear of him ever again?

Sorry to myself most of all....for letting HIM get the best of me...and getting bounced off the most valuable encyclopedia ever!..WIKI! my favourite site.

I am sorry..please folks, cant you believe me???

Admins considering unblocking this user would do well to first revisit her contributions. Rklawton 19:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Unblock request denied. Your block expires on May 23rd, you may have calmed down by then. Stifle (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


Okay ..Fine Stifle, B.T.W. I am already "calmed down"...and now I see you have exstended my "punishment" for my asking it to be removed now, Geee!..thanks for exstending to the 23rd from what was to be only tommorow!....and also no doubt w/thanks in large part to the ever "helpful" Rklawton.

(such a "kind" and understanding person.)

If there is some reason why your history of contributions is not helpful to your case, the fault is not my own. Rklawton 20:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
NOBODY LIKES A "TATTLETALE" Rklawton...nobody....why do you keep hounding me?cant you just leave me alone, and my user page too? im not ever over there bothering you!..please go away...see you for debates in a few days..peaceful ones at that!(Cathytreks 21:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC))
May I suggest that name calling isn't going to help your case? Rklawton 21:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this last was honestly said with a tinge of sarcasm, but calmly so...

So...see you all soon in a more agreeable way, soon I trust and believe, as I did not know the rules, im kicked out of the playground?..how fair...how kind. I do have my faith in my God and my ego and in my goodness at heart,.. peace out.) (Cathytreks 20:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

Unblock request denied (2nd time). Please do not abuse the unblock template. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 20:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

This is rediculous Deskana...and I shouldnt oughta been blocked to begin with as I had no foresight regarding the rules on the previously unknown "violation" well it was unknown for me...till this overly heavy handed punishment placed upon me. ...sigh...! (Cathytreks 21:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

As much as I'm tempted to just totally ignore what you said... fine, I'll unblock you. I'm taking a giant leap here and assuming good faith here so don't make me regret it. I will be watching you closely and won't tolerate "ignorance" as an excuse unless it seems genuine. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 21:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Policies and Guidelines

I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:Policies and Guidelines as you're seemingly violating (or have violated) a lot of policies, such as WP:LEGAL, WP:V, WP:OWN, WP:NOR, WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL... --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 17:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I shall do so and take thing to heart, However I have never violated some of the policys you charge above, I bear your words without grudge, or flying off the handle, and Deskana, I am not a bad or evil person, or a troll ,PERHAPS I just sometimes I have gotten over enthuisastic and stuborn..I have apologised and am determined to abide by policy at wiki, sincerely, Cathy(Cathytreks 17:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC))

There really is no need to be so defensive, all that will do is make people think you're trying to disguise the fact that you are what you're say you're not. Relax, stay calm, stick by policy, and enjoy. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 17:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Deaskana..It has/is just been hurtful when all I was/am trying to do is try & contribute what I still firmly believe to be a major historical find...that has been unfairly ridiculed, overlooked and forgotten, seemingly with relish by some.

I am studying all the major Wiki rules...and will abide them. Cathy (Cathytreks 17:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC))

There really is no need to go around saying you are being "wronged". Just calm down. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 19:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Please consider the following: Commons:Image talk:Lincolnatpeace2.jpg Rklawton 22:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For gods sake, relax

Please relax. Nobody is stalking you. Stop getting aggressive, and agitated. Someone taking interest in an image you uploaded is not stalking. Please just relax. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 23:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saving you some money...

I saw your comment on a talk page regarding your decision to seek legal action regarding what you seem to think was a violation of your right to free speech. I would save your money. If you go speak to a lawyer he's gonna charge you $500 to explain that the first amendment only applies to the government and not private industry. The 1st reads "Congress shall make no law...". [2]

In addition the 14th amendment regards the law-making power of state/federal government and not private companies. "...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." [3]

If you have any questions feel free to contact me. ---J.S (t|c) 17:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

bbbbbbbb== Fair use images ==

Fair use images cannot be used in user pages. This is non-negotiable, as before. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's a policy to add to that reading list. WP:FAIR. I hope you're not getting overwhelmed. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

i took it from trekweb..not from wikipeadia (Cathytreks 18:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC))

I quote WP:FAIR,
Fair use images should only be used in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are often enough not covered under the fair use doctrine. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages. They should be linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are the topic of discussion. This is because it is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation to allow an unfree image only if no free alternative exists and only if it significantly improves the article it is included on
The image is tagged as {{film-screenshot}}. As the image is from Star Trek it is clearly copyrighted, and is thus a fair use image and cannot be used on user pages. Where you obtained the image from is totally irrelevant. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

ohhh... ok I am crying over this picture i wanted up at my page very very much, couldnt you let it slide, just this once...for me ,as a favour?..i just cant do anything right, even when i try it seems! i sorry, and shamefully I feel you must think me a dunce, by now. (Cathytreks 18:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)) (Cathytreks 18:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC))

I don't think you're a "dunce" or anything like that. I can't let it slide either though, as these policies exist for a reason. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Don't worry about getting it wrong. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 19:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment from Troll "well" wisher" and reply

But if it makes you feel any better, Cathy, those of us who follow with amusement your career at Wikipedia, between the Trek stuff, the Lincoln hoax photo, and everything else, do think that if not a dunce you are at the very least impervious to the many attractions of rationality. 4.232.123.202 03:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Attention "mr troll",, There is nothing wrong with updating facts and fun Star Trek history, and in insistance on the truth there as well as other far more important matters such as "the lincoln death photograph" that I have published here from Lloyd Ostendorf's book, "Lincoln A complete Photographic Collection", is most certainly not a hoax, as you mistakenly put it , the photograph in question was without a doubt taken by noted civil war and Lincoln phtographer John B. Bachelder and family friend of Mr. and Mrs Lincoln, done in near haste as a study for a later painting done in colaberation with Mathew Brady and Alonzo Chappel , by John B. Bachelder in the White House on April 16th, 1865, you are obviously a trouble maker and are acting like a juvenile delinquent.

(Cathytreks 04:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

Tut tut, name calling isn't nice. As far as truth goes, the jury is still out on the photo. Ostendorf wasn't an academician, he didn't publish in a peer reviewed journal, he died apparently before he had a chance to explain his find. In "The Lincoln Forum: Rediscovering Abraham Lincoln", 2002, edited by John Y. Simon & Harold Holzer, page 225, the author notes that some have challenged this photograph's authenticity. As truth is so important to an endeavour such as this, I also feel obliged to point out that, assuming this photo is genuine, it's the only photo Bachelder ever took of Lincoln - at least according to Ostendorf. This hardly makes him a "Lincoln photographer." Rklawton 04:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

How do YOU know!??...and what you have just stated does not make it (The Photo) any less real or true in spite of your continual and vindictive claims to the contrary... Sir. (Cathytreks 04:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

I read page 420 of Ostendorf's book. Where did you got your information? Rklawton 04:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
From The Bachelder/Badger family decendents themselves! and NON original research, done with others at the New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord, which has allowed me and several other Lincoln Scholars access to the original Bachelder photographs of Lincoln and notes, clippings and letters taken at and around the time, of the assasination. I am the care taker also of the Bachelder family grave in Nottingham N.H.
I WAS THERE JUST TODAY PLACING A FLAG ON HIS GRAVE, YOUR CONTINUAL DOUBT'S IN REGARD TO MY EDITS ON THIS MATTER WILL EVENTUALY JUST SHOW YOU UP TO BE A STUBORN JACK-ASS WHO WONT BELIEVE EVEN WHAT IS PROVEN TO BE TRUE!

(Cathytreks 05:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

Before someone reports your abusive comments as another policy violation and you find yourself yet blocked from editing again, I should clear up a few things that I thought might have been obvious. First, placing a flag on Bachelder's grave actually casts doubts upon your ability to remain impartial on this topic. It certainly imparts upon you no special knowledge other than the current state of his grave. Second, if Bachelder took other photographs of Lincoln, it would be news to Ostendorf. Ostendorf listed only one image - the image in contention. Please cite who authenticated these images and where they may be found. Third, your interviews with Bachelder's decendents constitutes original, non-verifiable, non-peer reviewed research. Fourth, if you have access to other published information, please cite those sources. It's really that simple. Rklawton 05:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chappel

Chappel used the Lincoln profile in question in two paintings. In addition to "The Last Day of Lincoln," he also used it in "Lincoln Reading the Emancipation Proclamation to his Cabinet." The Museum of Fine Arts (Boston) has the emancipation painting in its collection, but lists it as undated. Perhaps you can join the search for a Chappel biographer who may have dated it. An accurate date might shed some light on the matter. To wit, if the emancipation painting pre-dates Lincoln's death, then the alleged death photo would have been the product of an effort undertaken during Lincoln's life (as suggested by the presence of beard, a beard Ostendorf reports Lincoln did not have at the end of his life). Remember also, the alleged photo was found on a carte-de-viste, and those were used to reproduce etchings, paintings, and photos. Cheers. Rklawton 05:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

NO CHEERS... "MR NON SEEKER OF THE TRUTH", ... JUST GOODBYE FOREVER...TO YOU! (Cathytreks 05:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Uhoh

Careful, you may be headed for a little meltdown in your dispute with User:Rklawton. There's an slight chance you're violating the WP:NPA guideline, but I'm not extremely familar with it, so I can't be definitive. Though people who violate it seem to get blocked quite quickly. Don't let this happen to you. Also, I don't know your conflict details, I just read a message you left on User:Rklawton's talk page in big capital letters, so please don't take this personally. Kevin Breitenstein 05:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblocked

You have been unblocked. Please take care to follow some general consideration while contributing to Wikipedia. Bastique▼parler voir 21:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

Hi Cathy, welcome back. I've got a book on Chappel on order. It'll take a few weeks to get it. Another book I sought is at a research library and not available for loan. I'll have to look it up when next I'm in New York. I thought it might be interesting to see what we might find regarding Chappel's paintings. I found a very interesting link to some original documents by Bachelder. [4] Perhaps they'll interest you as well. Give them a read and let me know what you think. Keep in mind that at some point it might be interesting to assemble a well-documented article on Bachelder.

I've also found a Lincoln academician who has taken an interest in the Lincoln-Bachelder-Chappel connection. He's on vacation at the moment, but he may be able to point me to some useful articles. He talked to Ostendorf about Bachelder's Lincoln carte-de-viste years ago, so he's familiar with the image. We'll see if he can point us to some useful published works on the matter.

Lastly, you mentioned an historical society. Can they help point you to published scholarly research and articles that made use of these materials? I believe various academic disciplines maintain bibliographies showing what sources have been quoted or used in research, so perhaps some of these items the society holds are referenced in such a bibliography. With that information in hand, we can find copies of these published articles and use them as well. While we can't publish original research, we can certainly publish academician's peer-reviewed work! Above all, though, let's move slowly and carefully. I have no doubt folks are watching to see how you get along. Cheers, Rklawton 18:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I am the care taker also of the Bachelder family grave in Nottingham N.H. I WAS THERE JUST TODAY PLACING A FLAG ON HIS GRAVE, YOUR CONTINUAL DOUBT'S IN REGARD TO MY EDITS ON THIS MATTER WILL EVENTUALY JUST SHOW YOU UP TO BE A STUBORN JACK-ASS WHO WONT BELIEVE EVEN WHAT IS PROVEN TO BE TRUE!



I was just at his gravesite and there is no flag.

And if you are in fact the caretaker, you should bring a weedwacker on your next visit. It's looking a bit overgrown.

So what of your discussions are we to believe?--Mahg Nitton 22:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Mahg, I think you are responding to an old thread. It's best not to copy/paste other people's words into a thread - it makes it look like you added them there yourself. Just use links to the text you wish to reference. In the matter of Bachelder and his grave, you are citing something Cathy wrote around Memorial Day weekend. It's not hard to imagine grass growing in that time. As far as past discussions go, let them rest. She's working on a fresh start. Rklawton 23:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Rk, and to Mahg Nitton?, re: the John B. Bachelder grave on nearby Steven's Hill Rd. in my hometown of Nottingham N.H.? Abouth the grave site and flag situation? I have lived in Nottingham New Hampshire most of my life, where do you live? perhaps you would care to meet me at the gravesite so we can discuss this further? id be more than happy to meet you anytime this week, I did place a flag on his grave on memorial day and was cutting and mowing, but was ill the past two weeks, with the flu, I was just there on memorial day on stevens hill rd, not far from where I live, cutting down weeds with my machete, sorry to hear some dirtbag removed his flag placed in front of his large memorial stone. I will be out there this wee tending to things this week, thanks for the heads up! Would you want to meet me there to discuss things about Bachelder and Lincoln?, where do you live? we must be close by one another I take it, are you off from rt 4 in lee, nottingham, or northwood??, i live two miles from the Bachelder grave, leave a note with your name and number I'll be happy to give you a historical perspective from a local,on the place, and Rklawton? I look forward most eagerly to this info you have written and cherish the thought of talking further with you and your friend on this interesting project!, all my best regards to you and thanks again for the welcome back. (cathytreks 04:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Bachelder

“…John B. Bachelder grave on nearby Steven's Hill Rd. in my hometown of Nottingham N.H” “I have lived in Nottingham New Hampshire most of my life” “I was just there on memorial day on stevens hill rd, not far from where I live” “I will be out there tending to things this week” “i live two miles from the Bachelder grave” “a historical perspective from a local,”

Wow...you really are working hard to convince us.

Anyone could look under Bachelders WIKI listing and see that the grave is on Stevens Hill Road in Nottingham. And anyone could go to a map and see Route 4 runs through part of Nottingham.

Do you tend to just Bachelders grave, or the others? How many would you say are there? Cathy -I left my name and number...and never heard from you. No surprise there. I didn't expect to. And July 4th came and went...I'm surprised you didn't go put another flag back on his grave, Lincoln Scholar that you are. Can't wait to hear your next round of excuses and reasons why.

Oh, and how does one get a lawnmower through the gate when one can barely fit a grown person? The iron gates are rusted and lodged in the ground and at most there is a ten to twelve inch width to get through. One has to "scoot in" sideways. It would mean lifting a mower 3-4 feet over the gate or wall. And watch out for the Poison Ivy! There has been no mowing or cutting. And RKLawton, it's not just because it's grown since Memorial Day. She just hasn't been there AT ALL.

You aren't the only local, you see. Caretaker, you are not. Editors, block me, whatever. I'm done here. Mahg Nitton 18:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

YOU ARE A LIAR MAHG NITTON, AND YOU LEFT NO NOTE AND HAVE NOT BEEN TO THAT GRAVE AT ALL , YOU SHOULD GET BACK ON YOUR MEDICATION! YOUR SUFFERING FROM DELUSIONS!, I'LL BE OUT THERE TODAY AND LOOK FOR ANY SIGN OF YOU IN THE LAST WEEK SINCE I HAVENT BEEN THERE! (cathytreks 15:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

Oddly enough, she made it clear she uses a machete. Cheers, Rklawton 18:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's a new article on Bachelder I thought you might enjoy[5] Rklawton 05:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Pffffft.gif

Is this guy giving the finger? -- 172.177.67.160 21:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


...as George washington said to his father, i cannot tell a lie, popeye did it.... (cathytreks 21:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC))

sorry, i am no native speaker of the english language, what do you mean? -- 172.181.88.164 09:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


yes the animated stick finger character I created below, is giving the veiwers the finger!, ha ha!...it was a meant as a crude animation (cartoon) joke, that I created, so... "dont hit me!".., lol! <smiles> (cathytreks 19:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

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unfortunately it was dedected by german wikipedians and now is used in userboxes and user-discussions in the german wikipedia, see de:Bild:Pffffft.gif ...
Pandora's Box is opened now This content has an uncertain copyright status and is pending deletion. You can comment on its removal. \mathfrak{m\,u\,h\,a\,h\,a\,h} at least we know whom to blame -- 172.179.145.68 20:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CIVIL

Please try to remain civil on Talk:Abraham Lincoln. I realize other people have lacked civility towards you, but returning the favor only gives them more ammunition. Rklawton 17:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


oh rklawton, cmon on that! I was being civil...and joking in reply!...cant you read between the lines???

thank you!?

(cathytreks 03:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

Given that I've frequently asked you very nicely for contact information for this historical society of yours and that you've never had the courtesty to reply, I find it hard to believe that you joke much about anything. The way I read it, it just sounded rude. Rklawton 03:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


I am not cathytreks, im her flatmate visiting from abroad, trying to stick up for my historical exspert friend, So sorry you are rather mean to my post grad chum, cathytreks! ~ Sophia

Are you a current flat mate visiting from abroad, or former? I find it odd that both of you are post-graduates and have the same extraordinary difficulty with basic spelling. What degrees do you each hold and from where? Lastly, would you please consider getting your own Wikipedia account so that you don't risk messing up Cathy's good name here? Rklawton 04:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the picture!!!!

That is a good picture you uploaded to the JFK page. Of course, with photos you have to be aware of copyright issues. I think you mentioned that your uncle took the picture. So I'm assuming it is not a public domain photo. Is your uncle the copyright holder? If so, has he signed off on your use of the photo? Ramsquire 21:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


Thank you, I have been the copyright holder of this photograph since my uncle's passing in 1998, he left me the bulk of his photographs and archives of his years as a news photographer in his will as we were very close, and he had no children I was as a daughter to him, from time to time I have released into the public domain or granted permmision for his work and my property to be used where it can serve some good for the general public, no offense but the previous picture used was an awfull photograph of the President and I just had to use one of my Uncle Malachi's photographs in it's place out of respect to both men, the president and my uncle, but most importantly for the public to see the real man, in a realistic and nice image captured of his youthful zest as our President on film by my Uncle Malachi, only weeks before President Kennedy was sadly taken from us and from the world. (cathytreks 21:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC))

Thanks again for the photo and the explanation. I would have hated for it to have been removed, but now I don't have to worry about it. Ramsquire 21:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Just wondering - is this the same Malachi Throne in the WP article? Camillus (talk) 00:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


Oh no, not at all! but my Uncle told me they actually crossed paths in Hollywood once in the 1960's when he was doing photo interviews with hollywood stars, doing the Batman series, and including the still living actor Malachi Throne ( which is nice to know!), my uncle Malachi was the noted Los Angeles Times Reporter and Photographer from the 1940's - 1980's who took many great and noted photo's of everyone from Vic Morrow to President Kennedy to Grace Kelly, I have all of his negatives and photographic collections stored at this time in a fire proof bank vault in New York City. (cathytreks 04:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC))

In that case, I would imagine that your uncle should have his own article...taking photographs of "everyone from Vic Morrow to President Kennedy to Grace Kelly" makes you pretty notable I would have thought. I haven't been able to find anything on the web about Malachi Throne Los Angeles Times Reporter Photographer. Everything seems to be about the actor. Camillus (talk) 10:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Camillus, your so right!, at this point I can only refer you to my wikicommons page (cathytreks), there are other famous pictures that my beloved uncle took over the years that I have graciously allowed to have been published from there (and elsewhere as well!), I will not comment further than to say that my own beloved flesh and blood relative's and his great work will indeed soon have a tribute site of his own published, it is already under construction and being worked on, it will be published before the end of the year, and it's link will be published from here and from the wikicommons, I'm sure that will satisfy you and many other "fans" of his great work.

He was as a father to me, and I loved him so much I feel as though I am channeling him!, he bequethed to me nearly 100% of his work that he kept in his files and his Los Angeles dark room in his home, and btw, he was a freelance photographer/journalist and his work not only published for the LA Times but for many periodicals and newspapers, and it is being sorted and catalogued still. Soon I will scan more of his work as I have already done at the commons (w/copyright protection!) even before his dedication site is published in November or early December.

Please send me your email address and I will keep you up to date on it. This is my last word on the subject here at my user talk page untill my uncles website is published!

I will email you when it is up if you provide me your e-addy, It is being set up so that people cannot just right-click and (take/steal!) his work! Uncle's work IS far too important not to be copyright protected... (less those I have kindly released as a prequel to his tribute site) from where you and others may for purchase for a in process, yet to be set price, and obtain certified and genuine prints of his best work's. All my best wishes to you. (cathytreks 16:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Thanks for the other picture ??

If you were who uploaded this, thank you very much. I use it a lot since longtime, so it has made me fun when I was upset. Maybe you don't realize about the profit it made, but actually it's amazing what a single picture can do for wikipedian work(er)s.
--Sobreira 15:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC) / Galician wp

[edit] talk:John F. Kennedy

Regarding the image you added to the article, I've initiated a talkpage discussion. Your comments would be helpful : ) Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 23:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stomp

seems he does'nt like what you did ;-) [6] -- 172.173.132.128 20:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It is not relevant and therefore your comment is highly illogical and therefore serves no useful purpose.

User:cathytreks


[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Colonel Green.jpg

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[edit] Image:Colonel_Green.jpg‎

As I have pointed out elsewhere there being no just cause for claims of misuse of the photograph placed on the page under "The Fair use Rationale", as I had previously proved enough information to justify it's use based on the policy statements at Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. We're all here for the same purpose, and that's to build an encyclopedia, not to treat one another injustly, each one individual is trying to do his or her best to abide by the rules, The Photograph in question used and placed here in 2005 meets all 10 points of the WP:NFCC#10c.

Copyrighted This image is a screenshot from a copyrighted film, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by the studio which produced the film, and possibly also by any actors appearing in the screenshot. It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots

qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Non-free content for more information.

To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline, as well as the source of the work and copyright information.

The rational for this image is that it conveys the best image of the the story's main protagonist "bad guy" of this journey, this image is what wikipedia refers to as a "fair-use screengrab" and came from noted and respected internet sources.

Here is the specific link to this 1969 third to last episode of the original series entitled, "The Savage Curtain" an original series Star Trek from Paramount Studio's...with the screengrab from an article in question borrowed from here:

"The Wikipedea Hall Of Shame!", A well received parody and information site, known for it's commentary, criticism, comedy, parody, news reporting, videos, and or educational use, and not for profit, heres the exact link within; http://thewikipediahallofshame.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html and theres also a website article published on the character in a fictional story about him dramatised on the film about it The Savage Curtain.http://trekweb.com/stbbs/showThread.php?bid=FldwoPP0qETo2&tid=47bf783d8c794&threadView=1

Furthermore there is no infringement to use the works of another in such special educational circumstances, such as for commentary, criticism, comedy , parody, news reporting, and or educational use, and not for profit section, as in this case it is presented under several the Educational and commentary/criticism parody and not for profit section, of the International Copyright Act under the Short Film, Performing Arts, Student, Visual Media, and Humanities section, of The International Fair Use Doctrine Laws., and U.S. Laws, fair use is especially important to protect uses a copyright holder may not even approve of, such as criticism or parodies. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 US 569 (1994)

"The Savage Curtain(Star Trek)|The Savage Curtain]]" ©1969 Paramount Pictures, produced by Fred Freiberger. Cathytreks 06:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Again, to clarify even further...the image can be used for fair use under the Fair Use Doctrine Laws., and U.S. Laws, fair use is especially important to protect uses a copyright holder may not even approve of, such as criticism or parodies. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 US 569 (1994) on this page in particular: Colonel Phillip Green in the classic Star Trek episode "The Savage Curtain. Cathytreks 07:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the link in the title here, per WP:NFCC, #9. I take it the fair use rationale you have provided on the image is for Colonel Phillip Green (and not for Philip Pine or Colonel Green, as the image description suggested), so will remove the warning left by the bot. Hope this resolves the issue. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! user:cathytreks

[edit] Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button Image:Signature_icon.png located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

sorry I am using a aussie keyboard set up computer, its hard when you do not have the same icons. --cathytreks (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Embarrased by CGI "Remastering" on "Elaan Of Troyuis"

Hi Cathy. Honestly I haven't been able to really watch the remastered episodes on TV because my local "CW network" made the brilliant decision to broadcast the remastered Trek at the worst possible time slot - 4AM Sunday morning and I'm in bed already. They used to play it Sunday afternoons, but it would get canned half the time for "special shows" and I missed really good episodes. Anyway, now I usually review what I miss at Trekmovie.com and thats good enough for me. I like the new CGI Enterprise, and the planets are pretty, but there is a lot of stuff I think they could have changed and didn't - likewise there is stuff they did change and I have to question why they did. Anyway, I haven't seen "Elan of Troyus" yet. I'll probably wait and see what Trekmovie says about it because they give pretty good reviews. Anyway I just post what they changed in the episode, we really can't give opinions if they were good or not. Cyberia23 (talk) 06:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of The Wikipedia Hall of Shame

A tag has been placed on The Wikipedia Hall of Shame requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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[edit] Speedy deletion of The Wikipedia Hall of Shame

A tag has been placed on The Wikipedia Hall of Shame, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Rob Banzai (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] April 2008

Please stop. If you continue to introduce inappropriate pages to Wikipedia, such as The Wikipedia Hall of Shame, you will be blocked from editing. Gromlakh (talk) 17:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I've checked the link: apart from the title, there's noting to indicate that this is anything other than a normal, non-notable blog. This was deleted via VfD long ago, and it appears that little has changed, so the VfD will stand. Acroterion (talk) 17:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you create an inappropriate page, such as The Wikipedia Hall of Shame, you will be blocked from editing. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What are you doing?

You appear to have been here for long enough to know the notability criteria; I don't get why, if this web site meets the criteria, you don't just source it, and I don't get why, if it doesn't meet the criteria, you don't stop recreating it. But even though I don't fully understand what you're doing, I'm happy to block you while you explain it more clearly. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not understand why you are removing a legit article. please help me to understand why you would remove a article that meets a NPOV AND IS WORTHY OF INCLUSION IN THE WIKI??

I do not understand, but will comply with your rules, sorry I did not see the messages and did not understand, i thought a troll was removing the page, sorry. Cathy cathytreks (talk) 17:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

To help you understand, you'll need to read the notability guideline. Basically, it says that it isn't enough for a subject to be true to need an encyclopedia article about it, the subject also has to be important. For example, I'm a real person, and it wouldn't be hard for me to prove the details about my life, but I'm not an important person, so Wikipedia doesn't need an article about me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Respect

Give your block history, your repeated failure or refusal to follow even the most basic Wikipedia policies, your history of creating obviously inappropriate pages, and history of trolling...no, you don't. Gromlakh (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


Again ,please, do not make a mountain out of a mole hill?, It was a honest mistake, and I did report to wikipedia about this fact, I thought I was editing on a legit article, I did not see the message thing as I have a browser problem, I have now fixed, I am not going to repost the article, per Wiki's wishes. cathytreks (talk) 17:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Respect is a two way street as well

Deletion of a well-written, well-sourced article on the basis of a "perceived" lack of notability or even what might be considered to some "controversial articles" reduces the total information of wikipedia. You Gromlakh of all editors ought to be aware of that fact. cathytreks (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sometimes Innocent mistakes really DO happen!

Yes, Even I a mere human can make a mistake, regarding "THE WIKIPEDIA HALL OF SHAME" article it was one of those, and I apreciate FisherQueen (talk and I am sorry, I also btw have a vision problem, and really did not see the messages directed towards me, do to a browser problem that cut off the top part of the view plate, so I did not understand, Truly thought a troll was removing the page, again I am sorry and Gromlakh (talk) should assume good faith, as we all should do, I have been on Wikipedia since it started and once was training as an administrator, till my other account was stolen by a clever password theft who is still here on the Wiki.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, just putting out all the facts on the table, for the record. Cathy cathytreks (talk) 18:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My talk page

Please stop adding nonsense to my talk page. You aren't going to change my mind, and it's annoying. Gromlakh (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Response on user's talk page. cathytreks (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:DeniseandJonathan.jpg

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