Template talk:Catmore1

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[edit] Original idea

This was intended as a parameterised version of Template:Catmore, for use on category pages. For example, Category:Sports should not use {{catmore}}, because the article name "Sport" and the category name "Sports" are different. The idea was that it could instead use {{catmore1|article=sport}}, to get something that looked like the result of using {{catmore}}, except with a link to a slightly different page name.

However, it didn't work, because when parameters passed to a template are used as parts of links, then the links end up being "edit" links instead of regular links. This is due to a software bug.

[edit] The new idea

This template is now blank, but it can still be useful via Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Catmore1. On a category page that cannot use the plain {{catmore}} template, you can instead write something that looks similar without using templates, and add {{catmore1}}. Later, (say if the software bug is fixed) people will be able to use the "What links here" feature to find all pages that do this.

[edit] New try

I changed the syntax to the following:

{{catmore1|article=[[Sport]]}}

Which produces:

For more information, see {{{1}}}.


What do you think? It's not possible to link the whole sentence, but I think this works too. ✏ Sverdrup 12:56, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Looks OK, until the software bug is fixed. —AlanBarrett 13:24, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think I'm going to change the format to use the unnamed parameter format, so the user can type: {{catmore1|[[Sport]]}}, this saves on typing and means that people don't have to look up the syntax. --Lexor|Talk 03:10, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Even shorter would be {{catmore1|Sport}}. If someone wants to update? -- User:Docu

Can't be done with the MediaWiki software as it is now, due to technical limitations (see the discussion under "Original idea" above). {{catmore1|article=Sport}} is the same as {{catmore1|Sport}} and neither works. --Lexor|Talk 12:45, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
The other day Rick Block explained me that templates like Template:Birthyr now work again, e.g. at Category:1911 births. I just tried changing it and it worked here as well. -- User:Docu
Nice! I'm glad they fixed this bug. I created a test to check this.
  • {{Lexortest|Sport}} generates

For more information, please see the main article about Sport.

  • {{Lexortest|Music of the United States}} generates

For more information, please see the main article about Music of the United States.

However, there still might be a role for links like this: {{Catmore1|[[Music of the United States|American music]]}}, if the category name was "American music". --Lexor|Talk 14:12, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
Maybe we should just add Template:Catmore2. This way, we wont have to change all categories already using catmore1. -- User:Docu
Sounds good to me. --Lexor|Talk 10:51, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Is this category actually used?

Used "What links here" will give a list of categories using Template:Catmore OR Template:Catmore1 OR Template:Catmore2 (where "or" is to be interpreted as in probability theory, that is, include the case where more than one applies). So is this template actually used? Brianjd 09:23, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

Yes, of course it is. Every time there isn't a char-for-char mapping between "Category:Topic" and the main article about "Topic", we use {{catmore1|[[Topic main article]]}} to link that. --Joy [shallot] 14:58, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  1. "of course"? How do we know?
Because I'm telling you — implying that I've done it myself. Several times. You can ask a developer to do an SQL query to get a list of those instances. --Joy [shallot]
  1. You can see above a suggestion to use this for Category:Sports. But, no, it uses {{catmore}}, and Sports redirects to Sport. Brianjd 08:35, 2004 Dec 24 (UTC)
Yes, that works, although it requires setting up additional redirects. Use whatever you like... --Joy [shallot] 13:10, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)


You can use "What links here", and you'll see that this template and its cousins are widely adopted. It's really great for categorization. ✏ Sverdrup 00:42, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Adages

This has a different, and in my opinion, better, way of linking to the main article. Brianjd 08:36, 2004 Dec 24 (UTC)

It's [[Adage|''Read the main article on '''Adages'''...'']]. If all categories did this, there would be a lot of duplicated boilerplate text. However, are you referring to the visual things, such as the expansion of the link onto the whole sentence? --Joy [shallot] 13:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "please"

I removed the word "please" from this template. Usability studies in general find that every extra word in a message like this dramatically reduces the number of people who actually read it. "Please" is a standard example of the kind of word not to include in this kind of message. dbenbenn | talk 23:08, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

No idea why that's protected: Template:Catmore1 (edit talk links history). Omniplex  21:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where's the all-crucial wikilink?

Hi, I wish to put forth my thoughts about this template.

Would it helpful to include the link to the subject matter that is being recommended? I feel it would certainly help and saves copying and pasting the word/phrase..

thanks 203.214.2.144 13:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overly wordy?

This template seems overly wordy, with "please see the article about Foo"; what's wrong with just, "please see Foo"? —RuakhTALK 20:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki

Please, add sl:Predloga:Članek ktgr 1. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 12:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Done in a moment. Luna Santin 19:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article

{{editprotected}} Not all pages are articles, maybe this should be changed to For more information, see the page about {{{1}}}.

Or even (as suggested by someone before) For more information, see {{{1}}}.

Simply south 20:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 03:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For more information, see the page about {{{1}}}

Sometimes newer users are trying to use/understand this stuff. "page {{{1}}}" is not a page I can simply goto; where is it? tooold (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please add this image to the A-class

Image:Symbol a class.svg

It would be similar to what GA and FA have allready. Nergaal (talk) 04:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)