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[edit] Usage remarks

When placing this template in a page, use {{Catalan-speaking world|align=right}} or {{Catalan-speaking world|align=left}} to position it appropriately.

You can also include an image and caption. Here are two typical examples of such usage:

{{Catalan-speaking world|align=right|image=[[Image:Antonigaudí.jpg|Antoni Gaudí]]|caption=Antoni Gaudí}}

{{Catalan-speaking world|align=right|image=[[Image:Correfocs.jpg|250 px|Correfocs in Barcelona]]|caption=Correfocs in [[Barcelona]]}}

[edit] Prior usage discussion

No longer relevant! -- Jmabel | Talk 01:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

When placing this template in a page, use {{Catalan-speaking world|right}} or {{Catalan-speaking world|left}} to position it appropriately.

Often this follows another large box (see for example Catalan language). We've been having problems about how to place this template successfully in pages. We had originally tried:

<-- Do not do it this way! It doesn't work for Internet Explorer -->
<div style="float: right; clear: right; width: 170px;">
</div>
{{Catalan-speaking world|right}}

This looks right in Firefox, but it's a mess in Internet Explorer. So we tried:

<div style="float: right; clear: right; width: 170px;">
{{Catalan-speaking world|right}}
</div>

This looks right in Internet Explorer, but in Firefox the main body of text writes right over the template!

Can anyone work out how we can do this more successfully? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The Firefox rendering is incorrect, for a change (see also Template talk:clearright). I've added clear:{{{1}}} and float:{{{1}}} to the table itself, not an enclosing div; this is the "proper" way to do it, and works correctly in both IE and Opera. I don't have access to Firefox at the moment, but it should work correctly there, too. —Cryptic (talk) 10:23, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, that did the trick. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
It looks like just {{Catalan-speaking world|right}} or {{Catalan-speaking world|left}} will work fine now. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Other discussion

[edit] Picasso

Picasso lived in Catalonia, loved it, got its influence, and even used catalan language occasionally, but it's (unfortunatelly for we catalans) excessive consider him a catalan artist. I think he was a spaniard, and was at less as french than catalan. --Joan sense nick 21:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Still, he was in Barcelona as his career first came to flower. Anyway, I'm not wedded to listing Picasso here, given that he was not Catalan.
Do we want to add Subirachs? -- 05:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


I don't think so. I think Subirachs is a minor artist. What about Antoni Tàpies or Enric Miralles? But, in my opinion, only items that could be an icon of Catalonia should have a link in such a template. --Joan sense nick 15:59, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Tàpies certainly. I don't know Enric Miralles, so your call. I'm surprised you consider Subirachs minor, given that (despite being an atheist) he was commissioned to do a chapel at Montserrat and a major sculptural assemblage for the entrance of Sagrada Familia. Is there a more notable Catalan sculptor in the last 50 years? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


Well, it's just personal preferences..., but I mean Subirachs is not an icon to represent the full country. In sculpture, I can remember the names of Josep Llimona, Pau Gargallo, Josep Clarà or Andreu Alfaro, for example. Unfortunatelly, there are not really great sculptors last decades. I don't know if it's usefull to consider Joan Brossa or Perejaume as sculptors. Enric Miralles was an architect. --Joan sense nick 23:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

  • You know, on sober thought I'm going to drop Picasso on the basis that this template doesn't belong on the Picasso article. -- 05:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not only Picasso

Besides Picasso, I have also a problem with adding this box too freely to internationally acclaimed artists such as Miro and Dali. Imagine that a similar box for 'English' language would be added to every important English or American artists. That would not only be ridiculous. So I would ask to use this template much, much more sparingly. Arnoutf 21:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

This template isn't mainly about language. It's an effort to use language as a method to split the difference between whether or not to handle the Catalan-speaking world as a "nation". Miró, in particular, is pretty iconic for the Catalan world. Banks derive logos from his design; there's a Miró mosaic in the middle of the Rambles. - Jmabel | Talk 05:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
There is a bigger Miró mural in the center of Madrid, and you should get informed about what he thought exactly about "Catalonia as a nation", really. 80.103.139.235 (talk) 02:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Even though I put it there, I'm not entirely happy with Sagrada Familia as an image here, because it is so much a Barcelona Icon. I'd be very open to something else; we might want to consider a grouping of images, the way they did at Image:4Serbs.jpg. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


Well, its a famous icon, like Tour Eiffel to France. I like it because it's work in progress, growing up, not finished,... --Joan sense nick 22:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I like Sagrada Família as well and its symbolism behind, but I also think it is too Barcelona-centric. We could make a composition from from different photos from all the territories. I have been looking at some already. We could suggest several proposals and choose that one which is preferred. Toniher 10:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I think a common cultural symbol would be something related with the Saint Johns bonfire's, like correfocs. This activity is made in all the whole catalan-speaking countries on june 24th. But we may use the image from Muixeranga, an human castle, as it's from a Valencian town, but the human castles are also very common in Catalonia. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 20:43, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
You now can choose an image of your own, or no image, at each use. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football teams?

I question the accumulation of football teams in this template. FC Barcelona belongs because it is, and was especially during the Franco era, a symbol of Catalan nationalism. Perhaps one or two others have a history like that; if so, the articles should document it. Barring that, I'd be inclined to drop them from the template. They are pretty incongruous when the template is included in, say, Crown of Aragon. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Here we should focus on language, culture, history and geography issues. --Joan sense nick 23:35, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

And in the past few days we have acquired yet more football teams. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me to be time to bring this matter to a head: see Talk:War_of_the_Spanish_Succession#Template:Catalan-speaking_world. This is being used as an argument to refuse to allow this template in War of the Spanish Succession. I propose we create a separate, small Template:Football in the Catalan-speaking world, use that rather than this on the various football-team articles, and leave only FC Barcelona on this template. If there are no objections in the next 24 hours, I will feel free to go ahead with that. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Maybe instead of football (soccer), we should say sport, because USAP is a rugby team. I'm not sure if we should leave any team despite FC BCN is surely the most important and worldwide known Catalan sport icon. Toniher 14:07, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, Template:Sport in the Catalan-speaking world. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image experiment

I've been experimenting with a way to get an image optionally into the template; see recent changes. I don't seem to have it right, though. For an example that shows what works and what doesn't, see Template talk:Catalan-speaking world/test. Does anyone see how to tweak the template to place the caption under the picture? -- Jmabel | Talk 08:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Got it! -- Jmabel | Talk 01:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Botifarra

You should include Botifarra, too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.60.38.232 (talk • contribs) 1 October 2006.

[edit] Smaller box for Catalan literature portal?

I'm working on creating the Catalan Literature portal (Portal:Catalan Literature) and would like to get the template to line up a little better with the rest of the categories. I also need a lot of help adding items and editing/writing articles, so please contribute! Bewtros 18:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)