Template talk:CatDiffuse

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Templates for deletion This template was considered for deletion on 2007 January 4. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] Creation notice

This template was created in the spirit of WP:ʃ. Cwolfsheep 23:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Acceptance

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[edit] Criticism

  • catdiffuse is a bad idea. the reason it is a bad idea is because not everyone categorizes things the same way because they don't think of them the same way. large top categories catch this fault in human cognizance. I think forcing subcategorization and the ongoing tendency to remove redundant categories is causing havok at many levels. I think the template should be referred to policy.--Buridan 11:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I also think this template is a bad idea. Large categories are not inherently bad. Many categories are better left large than chopped into many small irrelevant sub-categories. --Samuel Wantman 06:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Large categories are inherently bad if you're trying to find something you don't know the word for, and that's the main reason I use categories. The more articles in the narrowest category, the more I have to look through. —Keenan Pepper 17:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • This template is excessively intrusive and also defeatist. We will get on top of things over time. Also, telling people that they can't remove a template is a totally unacceptable assumption of dictatorial powers. I will remove that instruction, and I will also remove the template from any category I see it on. Chicheley 13:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Okay, I'll add it right back to any category you remove it from, and we can have a jolly revert war! Or we could do something constructive instead... —Keenan Pepper 00:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Three-prong approach to category sorting

{{verylarge}} should be used for one-time cleanup; {{catdiffuse}} should be used if people are likely to keep adding to the category; category tagging is pointless for template-driven categories that cannot be recategorized. Cwolfsheep 02:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modification

Would it be OK if I removed the phrase "to avoid becoming too large" from the template. Some categories require diffusion, while others should be large lists anyway. This may also solve Samuel Wantman's problems with this template. Dr. Submillimeter 13:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Let the others know in the CfD your idea. Cwolfsheep 19:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An alternative?

I've created an alternative to CatDiffuse that I think is much more user friendly, and not as self-referential. I'm not sure many editors are going to understand what "diffuse" means. The atlernative I created is called {{Topic category}}. It is intended for topics that are meant to contain articles yet have the more specific articles diffused to the subcategories. The way I've stated this, it also helps someone using the category for browsing. I've installed it at Category:Computer languages. There is also some other varieties of templates for labeling categories at Wikipedia:Category types. -- Samuel Wantman 08:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Consider Category:Programming languages. This too has a cat diffuse tag, but I don't quite understand what the consensus is about this category. My suggestion would be to break this into two categories. There would be an index category called Category:Programming languages would contain all the programming languages (which is what it looks like it has now), and all the subcategories would be moved to a navigation category called Category:Programming languages by type. All of the existing subcategories would be populated without depopulating Category:Programming languages. I used to be a programmer, but the subcategories are for the most part unfamiliar to me, and I suspect they won't mean much to many users. So it would be useful for browsing to keep both the larger and smaller groupings populated. If people don't want the duplication then Category:Programming languages would be depopulated, and remain as just the navigation category. In my suggestion the category gets diffused into the grandchildren subcategories without being deleted, and in the other the category gets diffused into children subs and depopulated. -- Samuel Wantman 11:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest adding text to {{Topic category}} about placing articles in the subcategories. Some categories still need to be diffused. Dr. Submillimeter 21:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
There is an option to add a line that says "Articles about <<parameter>> can be found in the subcategories." In the example posted in Category:Computer languages it says "Articles about specific languages can be found in the subcategories." Is it enough to say that the articles "can be found" in the subcategories? I should hope that our editors can understand that "can be found" also means "should be put". I'd rather word these templates for the benefit of the person browsing the category, rather than the person doing the categorization. Some categories seem to have comprehensive instructions on categorization. These should either be on the talk page, or there could be a link in the templates I've proposed that would open up detailed instructions on categorization for the editor. Do you think that is needed? -- Samuel Wantman 01:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I like your suggestion. However, I think some categories will also need broad warnings that the categories need maintenance, in which case {{CatDiffuse}} will be needed. Perhaps both types of templates can be used? Perhaps someone else can comment? Dr. Submillimeter 10:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
If CatDiffuse were reworded and placed on the talk pages of categories along with a Category type tag, I wouldn't have a problem with it in some cases. I don't think it should be used with large index categories. Depopulating of large categories should be discussed. -- Samuel Wantman 08:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)