Talk:Catholic apologetics
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I don't think John Salza is a "famous" Catholic apologist, especially since he has only published a few books from what I can tell, which seem to be very recent, and not very well publicized. The rest of the people on this list are ones who published a great deal in their time and were public figures, popular and hated. Some are even considered doctors of the Church. None of this seems to be true for John Salza. JNF Tveit 15:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] TOO BIASED
This article is completely slanted to support the Roman Catholic Church. Either rewrite it to include Evangelical, Fundamentalist, and Protestant counter-arguments, or remove catholic support.
For a serious critique on catholic doctrine, see:
The Gospel According To Rome by: James McCarthy
Doctrines that Devide by: Eriwn Lutzer (my personal favourite) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.101.219 (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] PLEASE
I presented the article with a secular point of view. It was totally unbiased. Please restore my version or FIX this one.
If not, then please present the protestant counter-argument —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.102.149 (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Your changes to the article were far from unbiased, and didn't seem to be in a secular point of view. The things you added seemed to be either your own opinion, or else uninformed Protestant propaganda [e.g. the comment about Jesus' siblings]. Either way, the article is much more objective without your additions. That being said, the article does need a lot of work. It is written poorly and focuses on only a few issues, with little reference to outside sources. The article does not adequately represent the scope and field of Catholic apologetics. JNF Tveit (talk) 19:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
-Also, it is a page on Catholic apologetics, not Protestant apologetics. There is a larger page for Christian apologetics, so aside from a brief summary of Protestant response to the Catholic doctrines, we need not present the full Protestant position on this page. JNF Tveit (talk) 19:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] example of bias
I WILL NOT ARGUE THEOLOGY BUT SIMPLY PRESENT THE BIAS The main argument over Mary is not whether or not she had Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, but rather whether or not she remained a virgin after she has Jesus and whether we should offer prayers to her. FIRST SENTENCE OK
To the first point, although scripture does refer to Jesus' "brothers and sisters", a closer reading would revel these are either His cousins, people from His Hebraic tribe or a fellow Israelite: if these were actual siblings, Jesus would not be called "the son of Mary or Joseph". (See Luke 4:22 and Mark 6:3).
I'll state this as: The Bible mentions the brothers and sisters of Jesus. The Catholic Church holds that these "brothers" are his cousins, people from his hebraic tribe, or a fellow Israelite.
To the second point, Luke's Gospel makes it clear Mary can hear the prayers of the faithful through the sufferings her Son endured (Luke 2:34-35). Furthermore, Revelations places Mary in a high position (Rev 12:17). Also, when Jesus is hanging on the cross, he entrusts Mary to one of his disciples, which would not make sense had he any siblings
This so-called evidence is faulty and should be removed (post a message to have an explanation). Even if it was not faulty, this article is supposed to say what Catholic apologetics is and a brief overview of what it teaches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.100.5 (talk) 03:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- The section on Mary does need a lot of work, as does the rest of the article. If no one else does, I will try to rework these sections, incorporating cited material from authoritative sources, which is certainly needed to both improve the presentation of the material itself, and to eliminate any perceived bias. I think that aside from the terrible presentation of material, and perhaps some bias, this article does state what Catholic apologetics is and tries to give a brief overview of some of its topics. JNF Tveit (talk) 19:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
