Talk:Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, New York
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I removed the 'motherchurch' attribution - I'm sure their own website claims the title, but it's neither true nor accurate. It's a matter of historical, not hierarchical, priority -- a 'motherchurch' is a congregation from which other congregations are founded. For instance, Trinity Episcopal Church (commonly known as Trinity Wall Street, chartered in 1697) was the mother church of most of the Episcopal parishes in America north of Pennsylvania before the mid-19th century. St. John the Divine is a late foundation even in New York City, let alone in the diocese. Given church building in the late 20th century I wonder about their 'longest' designation, too. MichaelTinkler
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- Your doubts may be well-founded; the Cathedral is rather prone to gratuitous self-aggrandizement, exaggeration, and patting themselves on the back about how impressive they are. Their stationery refers to their neighborhood as "Cathedral Heights" (which absolutely nobody calls it, or ever has), and they use the label "Great" (Great Organ, Great Nave, Great Rose Window) to describe just about everything in the place. 66.65.112.162 23:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
St. John the Divine is NOT the largest church of the world (see Guiness World Records]). It's only the longest church of the world (183,2 m). The largest church of the world is the Notre-Dame de la Paix Basilica. 68.165.95.210 16:52, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone add anything about the fire of 2001 at the Cathedral? I would think this is relevant to this article. --Zahra 02:36, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
As a VERY new Wikipedian, help me understand and resolve my confusion. I looked at this entry, hoping to find some reference to the architectural competition that resulted in its initial design; it was, without doubt, one of the most significant architectural competitions of the day. Thinking to add some information on the number of competitors at the first stage (at least 68 architects competed) and the four who were chosen to further develop their design proposals and resubmit them as part of a stage two (a significant pattern for late 19th century American competitions), I searched for specifics elsewhere on the web. I happened upon the "www.nyc-architecture.com/HAR/HAR002.htm" site, which is, in fact, mentioned among this entry's references, and was surprised that virtually the entire "History" section here is lifted from the "nyc-architecture" site, which I presume is copyright protected. Is this kosher? Thanks. --PlainsArchitecture (talk) 00:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Nave Height and Styles of Radiating Chapels
I removed the designation "highest nave". The Cathedrals at Köln, Amiens, Chatres, Toledo, Milan, the Vatican, and perhaps others all have higher naves than the 37.7 meter high one of St. John the Divine.
I also removed the description of "Gothic" as applied to the radiating chapels. Not all of the chapels are in a gothic style.
- The chapels all have gothic exteriors, though the interior styles vary.
[edit] The Cathedral today
There's a long discussion of the construction and physical history of the cathedral, but nothing (hardly anything) about its community past and present. It's an ecumenical place with plenty of educational activities. Can someone who knows more about it that I do (John?) provide a view of its spiritual life, beyond the mission statement? David Brooks 21:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
- The problem with that is that the only real "community" is the Congregation, and they are pretty small and unremarkable. On an average Sunday, the Cathedral's largest service only gets about a hundred people - which seems inexplicably small for a church this well-known which actually has tourists visiting. And especially compared to the two THOUSAND or so people normally attending Riverside Church, which is just around the corner. 66.65.112.162 23:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Link
Fixed broken link to the organ specifications.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED by Petri Krohn. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
Saint John the Unfinished → Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, New York — Move was made from the formal name to a "more colloquial" one with no discussion, and without fixing the resulting rats nest of double redirects. Bpmullins | Talk 21:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
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- Support All cathedrals get listed under their formal names. Fixing this is going to require adminsitrator help, I think. Bpmullins | Talk 21:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- No need for administrator help; I have restored the name. --Petri Krohn 02:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support Misguided move. --Petri Krohn 02:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support It's an obscure joke, and largely dated. Save the redirect. Septentrionalis 18:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
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[edit] Community; music
Above, someone asked about the Cathedral's "community past and present. It's an ecumenical place with plenty of educational activities." I agree. There is much to say about the cathedral as a community and religious center. Also, the cathedral hosts lots and lots of music performances. I started a little section, but please contribute. -- Ssilvers 03:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Nothing to do with anything I've read so far, roughly thirty years ago I found a token lodged in a crack in the wood of a very old pie cabinet, which appeared to have been there for some time. The coin showed a beautiful cathederal on one side. An Eagle on the otherside with bible in talons and the words "Cathederal of St. John the Divine" "Souvenir of Pilgrimage" "New York". I ran acrossed it today and did some research on the church, but can find nothing on this coin, I'm just very interested in what it was for and how it ended up in a pie cabinet in a Grange Hall in Northern MI. In a town from which I graduated with eight people. Sorry for using your page but an info I would appreciate it therikerfamily@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.199 (talk) 00:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
