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Contents 1 Featured 2 former East Germany 3 foundations 4 What Watt? 5 Name Change

[edit] Featured

Wasn't this article featured some weeks ago. Sep 26? --Pjacobi 12:33, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No. →Raul654 18:27, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] former East Germany

Why does my page on Cathedral of Magdeburg show "East Germany" but when I go to edit it shows "the former East Germany"?

Magdeburg is and always was located in CENTRAL Germany. From 1949-1989 it was in the Soviet-occupied "German Democratic Republic" (which used to be called colloquially "East Germany" by some Americans).--dunnhaupt 18:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Slight correction: East Germany was the name for the DDR used throughout the English speaking world, not just by "some Americans", also not relevant here, but to try and imply that Soviets were to blame for everything in the "Soviet-occupied DDR" needs challenging. From 1949 onwards the DDR was a sovereign* nation within the soviet bloc. *This meant it made its own internal decisions, like e.g. the building of the Wall--IsarSteve 09:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] foundations

There is a dicussion about what Cathedral was based on here: link. Perhaps this should be corrected in the article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:30, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] What Watt?

418 Watts would be just enough for four 100 W bulbs. I guess you mean kilowatts.--dunnhaupt 18:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change

I would like to suggest changing the name of this article from "Cathedral of Magdeburg" to "Magdeburg Cathedral".

My reasoning for this, the new name sounds more precise. The current name would in any case, NOT be used by someone who uses English as a first Language.

As an example: We don't say "Abbey of Westminster" or "Cathedral of Salisbury" but Westminster Abbey and Salisbury Cathedral.

I would appreciate your views on this subject.--IsarSteve 21:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Searching google for the respective terms (and filtering for Wikipedia related stuff), I get twice as many results for Cathedral of Magdeburg than for Magdeburg Cathedral. In light of this, I would keep the current title, but I can live with either title. -- Chris 73 | Talk 02:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Chris, I checked out your links... Hmm.. You are right of course in what you say, BUT Google uses its own form of English "Googlish" which makes it easier to find as many articles as possible by separating the two words with an "of". I would suggest that this is not the best form for the English Wiki to take. Reading through the lines of your reply, I take it you understand what I mean and that you would never advocate using "Abbey of Westminster" when speaking of that place? Gruß aus Berlin--IsarSteve 10:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you mean with "of", but i placed the entire search term in "" and the "Of" should be part of the text. Quickly skimming through the results, i did not see a "Cathedral magdeburg" result. To me it still looks like the current title is used more frequently. Shall we wait for other comments? -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, let's wait and see if anyone else (apart from us) "actually reads this bumpf". Regarding the "of" .....check out your link again, and you'll see that "of" is not part of the title!! Cathedral of Magdeburg At the top of the page it says in "blue" Magdeburg / Cathedral connected by an "of" in black, meaning two separate titles! See what I mean? This doesn't mean there is a title "Cathedral of Magdeburg"--IsarSteve 10:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In fact, according to Google, the only title "Cathedral of Magdeburg" ..is this one.. here on WiKi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IsarSteve (talk • contribs) 10:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Nope, sorry, you apparently don't know how Google works -- if you use "Cathedral of Magdeburg" as the search term, it ONLY searches for the full phrase, so it seems Chris is right and the current title also is. —Nightstallion (?) 14:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

My .... I can't believe all this idiocy... I just read you entry at another place and really can't believe you can be so.... Cathedral of Magdeburg is wrong, please expalin why we don't say Cathedral of Westminster but Westminster Cathedral ?? You've no answer for that one.. have you? Because es ist schlicht und einfach falsch!! --IsarSteve 15:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, I'm not interested in numbers here (google numbers), as you two obviously seem to be, I am interested in correct English... If you can't up with anything better than that then... Kopfschuttel --IsarSteve 15:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Both "Magdeburg Cathedral" and "Cathedral of Magdeburg" are correct English, so that's not the question to ask. The question is, what is the mostly commonly used name in English? The Google test indicates "Cathedral of Magdeburg" is more common. On the other hand, Magdeburg's official website uses "Magdeburg Cathedral" on its English-language page. Aren't there more important things to worry about at Wikipedia? —Angr 15:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because one church is named Westminster Cathedral, not all churches must have this order. See Sea of Japan vs. Caspian Sea, not Japan Sea and Sea of Caspia. Or take Cathedral of Trier as another example, with 21 000 Google hits for Cathedral of Trier and only 580 for Trier Cathedral. IsarSteve, try to relax, life does not hinge on how we call that church. -- Chris 73 | Talk 01:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm very much relaxed thanks :o), I accept Angr's argument, even though HE IS an AMERICAN!! :o). BUT I'm still not happy with the title, because in my opinion it looks "Foreign" to English eyes. Once again I repeat, "Cathedral of Madgeburg" is totally correct when used with an article (THE is put in front of it). But as a name standing alone, "Magdeburg Cathedral" is the correct usage. --IsarSteve 00:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)