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[edit] List of Catgirls

This list is large, bulky, and unnecessary. --KyuuA4 19:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there a meaningful difference between "large" and "bulky"? --216.75.189.61 03:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. "Bulky" has connotations of being hard to deal with and awkward and when applied to information, perhaps ill-thought out. "Large" is just... large. --Gwern (contribs) 04:47 9 February 2007 (GMT)

I don't agree. Encyclopedias are commonly quite bulky, I think. And, my opinion that this list has information value, even if long. For example, Edward comes here to read about catgirls. He is fascinated, and would like to know some anime/game/movie with catgirls it in. Thus, he could check this list. I suggest to move this list to a separate "List of..."-style article. --Rev-san 15:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

We've already got a million and one "lists of..." on Wikipedia. Can't hurt to have one more. -masa ♫ 00:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've just made the article, over at List of catgirls, and removed the list from this page (list as it was). Could do with some cleaning up and having some links to it though... -masa ♫ 01:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, untidy lists have a tenancy to get deleted. Isn't that why we moved it off the main catgirl page in the first place though? --Squilibob 14:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nei and Rika

A much argued topic from long ago, I wish to clear up the Numan (newman) race being a cat type. In the Nei's Adventure telemodem game, there is a certain grass that Nei feels a sense of happiness when she approaches it and picks it up. This grass turns out to be catnip in fact. Also during this game she makes friends very easily with cats, some of which are vital to finishing this game. Numans are the result of science in the series trying to combine a beast with a human. It is rumored that they were fashioned after the race that Myau was.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by CatguyPaladin (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Article mergers of Kemonomimi and Catgirl

In any case, the two articles have been suggested for merger. My opinion is that it probably should be merged together, whether one title or another (probably as Catgirl, since that's the more familiar term to laymen), but they need to be merged.--み使い Mitsukai 19:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I also think they should be merged. What about [Category:Kemonomimi], though? --moof 20:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Catgirl can be placed in there, and it can remain as is. Othewise, it can be sent to CFD for renaming as needed.--み使い Mitsukai 20:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I support merging the articles under Kemonomimi, as a catgirl is a kemonomimi, but not vice versa. --日本穣 21:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I would have to disagree, while it is true that Catgirls would fall under Kemonomimi, Catgirls make up an incredibly large group of the Kemonomimi, possibly over 95%, it is more than likely if somebody is searching for this information, they are searching for "Catgirls" and havent even heard the term Kemonomimi. Not to mention that this would confuse anyone that is unfamiliar with either terms and attempting to look up information on them. Finally, the words are highly different, "Catgirls" is the english way of saying Nekomimi (Literally "Cat Ears", Japan's equivelent of saying Catgirl (Nekomusume)) while "Kemonomimi" is a Japanese word for "Beast Ears", basically our equivelent of saying "Animalgirls", it dosent make sense to merge an English word under a Japanese word, nor would it make sense to change "Catgirl" to "Nekomimi" since it would make this information harder to locate for people that do not unow anything about Japanese.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.12.218.236 (talk • contribs) .

The articles should remain separate, as said above. The catgirls have many supporters who aren't quite interested in other kemonomimi.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.11.246.244 (talk • contribs) .

I also agree articles should remain seperate. If you combine these, you may as well as combine in Kitsunes and such. Really, putting Kemonomimi as part of Catgirl is just making it harder for people to find something.Dragon Hilord 22:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, we should keep intact and separate this article under the "Catgirl" name. I leave kemonomimi as is, as I don't know what it really means however. :) But most people may search for catgirls or nekomimi, the latter is a redirection page, soo it's taking here. --Rev-san 20:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I admit that Kemonomimi is not in very common usage, but it is being used on some imageboards so I thought it was gaining enough usage to have a wikipedia article. - Squilibob 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

If Kemonomimi is going to be kept, then the List of Catgirls needs to be thinned out and the kemonomimi need to be moved over there.--み使い Mitsukai 13:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok--Squilibob 14:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The topic of Kemonomimi is so wide, you can't really combine them and honestly think somebody wouldn't change it back eventually. For one thing, it means (and i quote) Kemonomimi is an anime and manga terminology that describes characters that possess animal like features. If anything, other catagories like Kitsunes, Gryphon, Phoenix and so on. While minor, it's hardly a task to find information about characters. To thin out the list maybe a good idea, but I think it would be much easier for people looking for content with that context in mind. Adult-oriented show characters may be good to weed out for the younger audience, but overall, you're just removing from the information of wikipedia, information meant to be shared openly. Dragon Hilord 23:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I vote that the two articles should remain seperate, but with clearer links between them - Although Catgirls are a form of Kemonomimi, this term is not in common usage and may confuse casual anime fans. Catgirls are the most popular form of Kemonomimi and should get there own category.--Crais459 07:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't especially think they should be merged. Catgirls are so popular that they need their own category, and yet Kemonomimi is the broader term. It can be argued that anyone looking for info is interested in catgirls, but I came looking to find out what the blanket term for characters with animal features was. My interest was sparked by InuYasha and Loveless. In both cases, the main character is a male Kemonomimi and not a catgirl at all.

Ok I've removed the merge tags. --Squilibob 00:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catgirl pic on article

I have two objections to it:

It's clearly advertising a specific site, and we shouldn't be promoting any one site over any other
I don't think it should be any larger than 250px on the main article. If someone wants a bigger version, they can click on the pic and get a full size copy. I can edit the pic to remove the reference to the site it's from. As long as it's still attributed, I don't think that should be a problem.

Thoughts on these items? --日本穣 22:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think it's that big viewed in 1280x960, but do as you wish. However it's a nice illustration, I don't mind if you leave it this way... About the advertising: perhaps it's almost clearly visible, but 1) if I want to search for such images, I check multiple webpages, not just this one, and 2) the site in question is in the Links section too, amongst others, and it's not the first in the list. And I think it's hard to find a quality image without advertising/copyright message on it. Hmmm, it is allowed to modificate a picture which is copyrighted, and represents a website? (Besides, that site is really worth advertising. ^^) --Rev-san 20:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I can probably come up with something, but it'd have to be after I finish with the Anime and manga barnstar. ^_^;;;--み使い Mitsukai 20:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. (^_^) --日本穣 22:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I've reduced the size of the article pic. --日本穣 22:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I also think we could get a better picture, Nihon's reasons are already enough but that picture shows her underwear and some of my uploaded pictures were removed for that reason >_<

As for a serious reason, I think it'd be better to use a much more common catgirl such as Ichigo, Dejiko, Koboshi or some other well known anime character. - Squilibob 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to the Darkstalkers catgirl (Felicia, IIRC), but someone changed it back. --日本穣 08:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Changed the image to Dejiko, and going to list the other one for IFD just in case.--み使い Mitsukai 14:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Well well, this new picture is kawaii, but I think it's not demonstrating the 'catgirl' idea clearly (I suppose former pic did), so I would put in a picture of Ichigo from TMM. Now she's kawaii, AND really shows how a catgirl looks like. ^_^ --Rev-san 19:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, we can have more than one picture. As I suggested Dejiko is a well known catgirl and so is Ichigo. Add an Ichigo pic to the article as well if you like. The more examples the better the reader's understanding - Squilibob 08:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

And with that I've added a few more pics from existing uploaded images --Squilibob 23:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that im not exactly too happy with the current pictures right now either. At the moment we have Di GI Charat, Ichigo, Hazuki, and Koboshi on the catgirl page. While they all have catears, Ichigo is the only actual catgirl out of all of those four, the rest wear fake ears, half the time Hazuki dosent even wear them. While girls wearing fake catears does slightly fall into the "catgirl" category, I think it would be better if the larger majority of the pictures on the page were of actual catgirls instead of anime girls cosplaying as one, as with these images it almost makes it seem like a catgirl literally is a human girl with fake catears. —This unsigned comment was added by 24.12.218.236 (talk • contribs) .

Well ok. Who do you suggest should be on the page? --Squilibob 03:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming of External links

Folks, this is not an advertising zone for your favorite (or your own) catgirl-oriented webcomics. While one or two may be exemplary, over half the links were nothing but, and that is hardly encyclopedic. Editors, we need to keep better control of what goes on the page, or else those who are so inclined (you know who they are) will put this thing on AFD fast enough to make your neko-ears pop.--み使い Mitsukai 22:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you think we might need some type of regulation? I mean, there are some webcomics that have their own wiki so I don't think its that haphazard to post links, however, I always felt that it would be a little too cluttered to post catgirls and kemonomimi from non-officially published works (Games, Anime, Manga, and the like that were actually published, not webcomics and dojunshi). Since there are possibly hundreds if not thousands of fan-creations with kemonomimi, it would be too difficult to attempt to list them all.

I disagree. Wikipedia is a place to share. In this case, links. Over 20 links may just be calling for Catgirls to have its own "link" page. Some things are redundant like thoes covered by the Webring, and should be removed. Obviously adversiting is not what this is meant for, but you have to cut slack. If you want an example of a links page, check out Free audio software. Offical works, and very well-known works should remain.Dragon Hilord 22:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy on this can be found at WP:EL. The jist of it for fansites is this: Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.) So if there is a webring or a website with a listing of catgirl fansites, the single external link that is allowed should be linked to that site according to our policy --Squilibob 01:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I see your point. Well presented ^_^. I must say though that if you remove a link, you should trace around to see if it is covered by a webring. If not, leaving it be would be the best course of action until it turns up in a ring (members of webrings usually show a webring access bar somewhere on the main page, or on parts of all).Dragon Hilord 23:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added a description to the "Sky Lounge Garden" external link because it points directly to softcore pornography... is this the kind of catgirl content we want this article to link to? fruitofwisdom 23:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neko-jin

I always thought the Japanese word for cat people was neko jin. Why is this not implimented or what does that really mean or whatever -anon —This unsigned comment was added by 84.12.200.138 (talk • contribs) .

Yes, neko (ねこ or 猫) means cat and jin (じん or 人) means person, however, I don't know if Japanese-speakers actually use this particular term. Maybe someone else can verify. fruitofwisdom 23:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Can't say I've ever heard of this term either.--み使い Mitsukai 15:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Technically nekojin means cat-person, but the term used is nekomimi. Dee man45 19:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I think its more used as "Cat Person" literally(as someone who obsessed with cats e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Cat_Lady#Crazy_Cat_Lady ) MidNiteNeko 18:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paring down Examples list

Is anyone else concerned that a: the examples section is getting a tad bit long and b: there are quite a bit of webcomic references there?

I propose that we pare the list down to notable examples, and leave webcomics off it unless the webcomic itself has an article on WP. Any thoughts?--み使い Mitsukai 15:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Webcomics with their own article deserve a spot, and most anime and manga that have articles. Also, if a character only briefly appears as a catgirl, as in one moment in a single espisode, I don't think that merits putting it down.Dee man45 15:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me --Squilibob 01:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I've made a webcomics section, see if they're notable or not. A lot of the examples are in the other section when they should not be. Anyone who has seen the anime/manga these characters are in, please move them to their correct section. I've moved all the girls that I know of to their correct sections. --Squilibob 05:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, way way WAY too many lists. In fact, listing cat girl characters should be done outside Wiki. KyuuA4 06:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Besides, we always put notable catgirls in a category, which would be much more practical than a list. Shinobu 09:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catgirl/Catboy

Shouldn't this article be titled Catgirl/Catboy?

No that's what redirects are for. --Squilibob 23:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It is now done Ben Rogers 04:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Aren't Eluruu and Aruruu DOG-girls rather than catgirls?

They appear to be dog girls, so they've been moved to the Others list

If they are doggirls then they should be on the Kemonomimi page. It's only a catgirl/catboy list. --Squilibob 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I've struck off two images from the four which were serving to illustrate precisely the same thing. Would you expect to have four seperate images of David Beckham on his article? No, of course you wouldn't. There's two. Four seperate images of what a catgirl is makes for a poor encyclopedia. We can understand from one what a catgirl is. ShizuokaSensei 15:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

David Beckham nearly always looks like David Beckham. Catgirls do not all look the same; so having multiple illustrations to show the range of variation, is more useful with catgirls than with David Beckham. Better articles to compare to would be Cat or Girl - each of which contains far more illustrations than Catgirl.216.59.228.13 17:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the current image being used as an example of a catgirl is a poor choice. There are much better ones out there. I think it needs to be replaced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.170.28 (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bagi

Shouldn't the classic Bagi by Osamu_Tezuka fit somewhere in there?

Agreed. Bagi is now listed!

Bagi is a furry. Shes has fully animal paws/face and covered entirely with fur.MidNiteNeko 18:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ortega a catboy?

You have listed Ortega in your list of catboys. Ortega dosen't really seem catlike to me though...he just has a mane. Don't you think he should be deleted from the list?

[edit] Asuka from Evangelion?

How about Asuka Langley Sohryu?

Her eva head things make me think catgirl whenever I see her, as does the sly wide-mouth thing she'll do. Thoughts?

Catgirl-like, perhaps. But I wouldn't call her a catgirl. --maru (talk) contribs 23:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

She is just an anime girl. Catgirls would have a tail and cat ears. MidNiteNeko 18:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List in Separate Article

Should the list be separated out into a different article? I thought it was convention for extensive lists to be put in their articles (with titles starting with "List of"). --L33tminion | (talk) 06:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is just a list anyway with a good lead section. Maybe the article could be renamed? --Squilibob 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this article needs to be complete revamped one way or the other. --SeizureDog 00:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catgirls outside of Anime

I was wonder if the list should mention Catgirls outside of Anime/Manga/Games. For example: In the works of Cordwainer Smith, Underpeople are animals who are genetically munipulated to look human and have human intellgence. One important character in Smith's works is C'mell, a cat-derived Underperson.--Eldarone 00:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead! This could be the start of a section of American versions of Catgirls, not merely the all-Japanese account we currently have. --maru (talk) contribs 03:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Began writing a section. Still in progress:

Catgirls outside of Anime

Catgril characters are also found outside of anime, manga, and video games. Often, such catgirls often look more like humanoid cats than their Japanese counterparts. Fantasy games have catgirl characters, such as Magic: The Gathering's Mirri. Some live-action shows and movies, as well as western comics and animation, have featured various cat-like characters, in addition to their occasional appearance in classis of Western science-fiction, like Cordwainer Smith's cat-derived Underperson C'Mell (who appears in Norstrilia and The Rediscovery of Man). --Eldarone 15:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd say rename the Live action catgirls section to Catgirls outside of Anime, include the small list at the bottom of your paragraph and include webcomic catgirls in it somehow. It's good content and will break up the list a bit. --Squilibob 08:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If you mean add the "Live-action Catgirls" section to the "Catgrils outside of anime" section, I don't really see a problem with that --Eldarone 18:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes that's what I'm suggesting. --Squilibob 23:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catgirls and Furries

This section sounds alot like Orginal research. Should it be deleted or not?--Eldarone 21:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If it is original research then yes. The sentence about catgirl being a term to describe a stereotypical hyperactive and obnoxious fangirl seems to be uncited and OR as well. --Squilibob 06:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the stereotype refrence because it is 100% inaccurate Ben Rogers 04:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fansites

In line with Wikipedia policy on fansites, all but the webring has been moved from External links again. --Squilibob 06:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't think how to write this but it needs working in...

In anime/manga catgirls usually fit one of two different character types- either the 'cute one' or the 'sexy one'. I think this warrants mention but...This isn't my article and I can't think how to mention it decently.--Josquius 12:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

They may often be perceived by their fanbase as being cute or sexy, granted. But the adjectives cute and sexy are for some people not mutually exclusive, and I know that many people use the two words synonymously. Plus there are different opinions on what qualifies as cute, and especially sexy. It might come as a shock to some people, but most people don't find 'cartoons' sexy =P I'm almost certain that no source could be cited, and it'd all be opinion anyway. So yeah... I understand where you're coming from and agree that they do for the most part fall into those two categories, but I really don't think that it would make for good encyclopaedic content. -Masamunemaniac 15:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neko

It needs to be changed back to neko. Obviously "Catgirls" won't work since there is a "Cat boys" section.

"Neko" means "cat". This is not an article about cats. Also, "neko" is the Japanese word for "cat", and is not a word used in English by any significant population - violating the rule that the name for a Wikipedia article should be the correct name for the subject in the language the article is written in. "Neko" (written in Japanese script) should be, and is, the name of ja:ネコ - the article about cats on Japanese Wikipedia. But "neko" shouldn't be the name of any article on English Wikipedia (except as a proper name, e.g. Neko Case), nor of any article about catgirls.

Catgirls and catboys are not correctly called "neko" in any language; "nekomimi" is what they're usually called in Japanese, "catgirls" and "catboys" are the usual words in English, and several other terms are discussed in the article. All of those redirect to the current article.

A more appropriate thing to do, instead of changing this article's name, would be to split the list of catboys into a separate article about catboys. It's also questionable whether any of the lists in the current article are really worth maintaining; their encyclopedic value is questionable.129.97.79.144 21:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we should split the whole list into a List of catgirls or List of nekomimi characters (for gender inclusiveness), and keep this article as a discussion of catgirls in popular culture (not just in animanga). Then talk about things like Cats (musical) and Catwoman or something. _dk 00:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I like that idea. Nekomimi is really Eastern specific though so I have split the list into two sections: Anime, manga and video games and Western. That way a List of nekomimi characters can be easily created and be separate from characters like Catwoman from Batman. I believe that catgirls/boys in Japanese popular culture is quite different from the western view and the article states that already. --Squilibob 07:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between characters which are viewed as completely human cosplaying a catgirl(with fake ears),compeltely human transforming into a catgirl(with animal traits usually) temporarily and natural permanent catgirls which are mostly human (ears/tail are biologicallly different). MidNiteNeko 18:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wayward Catgirls

Can we make a seticon about the Wide home for Wayward Catgirls, or evin an new page? Anubiz 21:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Nope, see WP:N. I say we go one better and remove the external link to the site. It has next to no Google hits... it was last updated about five months ago... it mostly only contains characters of the artist's own creation... the links it has are either japanese, poor engrish, broken or just random kemonomimi hentai... the layout is appalling and the link names meaningless... I really see nothing gained from linking to it at all. The CRF link is just about as bad. -masa ♫ 01:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Shesh you did not have to bite my head off about it, I was just asking a qustion. Last time I cheaked the extrinal links are for the sites, not the sites they link to.Anubiz 01:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean for that to be snappy at you. If I were the type to be annoyed by what randoms done on the internet, my ire would be pointed at Lyta79, who sneaked it in as a minor edit. But anyway, yeah, most of what I said is about the site itself, I just mentioned the site's links because that's pretty much the only content aside from the artist's own art and pages for selling it. -masa ♫ 11:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It is nice art. Anubiz 13:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you cite that? =P -masa ♫ 16:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeas here http://www.bewildered-art.com/catgirls/drama/Viola.html see it's good. Anubiz 16:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Touché... but we are playing chess, not fencing. -masa ♫ 00:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Playing chess? Anyway I do not know what I was supposed to do to cite that the art was nice, so I just put some particular that I liked and hoped that would work. Anubiz 13:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Considered Furry?

Are anime catgirls considered furry? I can't get a clear answer from Google. 72.69.211.25 04:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Most people would and do say no, but as there's no definite definition of what is or isn't a 'furry' there's no definite answer. Also, there are some borderline characters - such as Katt or Felicia - more would consider these as furry than people would consider, say, Ichigo Momomiya as furry.

Basically: Just ears and tail, no. Anything more, depends. -masa ♫ 06:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Furry is an anthropomorphized animal. Catgirls are like humans with several mutations(ears,tail,etc). MidNiteNeko 18:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers. That's what I thought, MNN, but some people were giving me a different answer. That's why I asked. :) 72.69.75.81 12:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Ichigo is a good example of a catgirl and its could be used instead of wikipe-tan with ears MidNiteNeko 11:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan is a neutral example. KyuuA4 16:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Off-topic

Why is the section on "personality traits" all about boys? 129.97.79.144 17:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

That's... a very good question. Also, could we get a source on that? -masa ♫ 20:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Human ears

On the picture of Wikipe-tan, human ears are clearly visible. Is this an error? Which pair is she supposed to hear through? (And now that I think of it, the usual placement of catgirl ears implies some unlikely internal anatomy — where do the ear canals reside?) - Sikon (talk) 11:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)