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Work in Progress. I need to add links and verification.CindyBo 00:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Name issue
Hi; me again; sorry to kibbitz, but gotta work this out; name format is non-conventional and use of single quotes isn't stylistics. If I recall correctly, his real name is Jean Caux, and Cataline was his nickname; the issue is which one to use for the primary article-name, as he's more notable/known as Cataline so that's my bet. How is it phrased in the sources when it's combined, and which sources are those? Just trying to establish the proper name/format here, as it establishes precedents; I've already made Robert Allan "Volcanic" Brown and Margaret Lally "Ma" Murray for example, but I've never done that in a French name, and nobody called him "Cataline Caux"; I'd say Cataline but sit back and wait for other WPBC and WPBio people to pop by. We also know where he came from (France, Quebec, Belgium?) any known dates of birth/death and other raw biographical particulars; certainly one of the more interesting figures in 19th Century BC, I set his rating to "high". Any chance you'd like to do Ovid Allard or Donald Manson or for that matter Donald MacLean (fur trader)??Skookum1 07:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I see Cataline is a redirect to this page....I"m gonna consult wiki name policies or poll some people who know them well and see what to do here; to me the Cataline redirect should be the main article, and Jean Caux a redirect to it (and bear in mind he may have a longer full-catholic name in some records) a well as this one; this one's definitely in need of a name-fix, I'm just not sure what.Skookum1 07:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
GAK no I'm wrong; Cataline goes to the famous Roman orator, how could I forget; so if it's to be off his most well-known name, the format will be Cataline (muleteer) or Cataline (whatever), and a mention of the article should also be in a dab line on the Cataline page, i.e "this article is about the Roman orator, For the 19th Century packer in British Columbia, see Cataline (muleteer) or Cataline (freightman) or Cataline (packer) -??- whatever the title is. But let's sort out the title first, no rush, just an issue needing to get resolved; nice work, but remember to be ready to see others move stuff around and add bits and change language; I've seen bits on him in my various books though won't have time to add stuf...Skookum1 07:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what name would be best out of your list there. Packer maybe. I think the muleteers were the employees and the packer the boss. I'll let everyone come to a consesus on the name and then someone, (or is it supposed to be me?) can move it. Mostly I just wanted to get an article going on him, as it closely relates to Hazelton which I've been working on the history section of. There are certainly many stories, legends about Cataline and it should be a really good article once everyone who is interested makes their contribution.CindyBo 23:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, there's a whole category of men (and some women) who were involved as packers in the history of BC, and of the Northwest; it was a big industry with lots of big characters in it; I could name ten such in the Lillooet Country alone, all big in the freight business, some becoming magnates as also happened with Frank Barnard Sr. and others that you no doubt know of; many started out as muleteers, like Curly Evans in the Lillooet Country, to continue into the days of heavy trucking and air freight/bush piloting. Caux/Cataline should be in the same cat as Barnard, and is there's a Stephen Tingley article already so should it, and others that I'll either add or point towards in the articles requests section on the BC wikiproject page. "Freightmen" is an archaic term, used in the sources here as you probably recognized but sums up the trade somehow; it was virtually synonymous with "packer" in the days when pack trains was all there were, i.e. in areas where you could only get into somewhere by pack train; but they all got into wagonning once the roads got going. There must be a relevant freight industry cat somewhere, but I don't have time to dig looking for it.Skookum1 00:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I looked around at a few sources again. Jean Jacques Caux comes up once or twice. Mostly just Cataline the Packer. Different sources disagree on where he was born, as is when. While we're on this biography topic, is Simon Gunanoot in the scope of the biography people too? I had info on him on the Hazelton article and moved it to a full main article. But that's another one where stories conflict and needs expert attention.CindyBo 01:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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- All biographies are in the scope of WPBio; add that template to any bio page you see. Jean Jacques Caux needs a redirect, then, as does Jean Caux and Jacques Caux. Did you start Gunanoot? Been meaning to see/start that for a while but had no time to research/distill.Skookum1 18:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and as to Manson and Allard ect... I don't really know anything about them. I'm better with early 1900's Central Interior & Skeena district stuff.CindyBo 02:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- My mistake; I was riffing off another c-frenchname guy who was a fur trader with Manson et al; forget this Cataline was gold rusher, not fur trader...the other name isn't similar, but similar enough to be confused; fur trader in question was a hard-ass, known for being violent/angry but also a key character at times.Skookum1 18:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
and since you live up there, here's a question re British Columbia Interior - when you say "Central Interior" what do you mean: what do you mean by "Northern Interior"? None of this becomes citable, it's just occurred to me the flexibility of the term "Central Interior" (see discussion between myself and Keefer4, I think on my talkpage, or partially, about BC regions).Skookum1 18:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
