Talk:Catalan Revolt
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[edit] Map
Is the division map enough? --84.20.17.84 12:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The map is not right because it is the Autonomous Comunity of Catalonia, and it is much more modern than the revolt. Then, Catalonia had more territory in the west, which is called now "La franja" (the strip). Catalans is spoken there (in fact it is the place with the highest proportion of catalan speakers). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.152.208.152 (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Saying that la franja was on catalonia would not be really correct IMHO. The topic is quite mudded, actually. When the autonomical division of Spain was done, villages on la franja were given the option of what community they wanted to belong to.
The affiliation should probably be studied village by village for these reasons:
For historical reasons: some of the villages on the franja were on Catalonia, others were on Aragon, and all have been at both regions on different times, since the frontier has changed over the time. Many of those villages on la franja were under aragonese laws since the middle age, other were under catalan laws.James I set the frontier between on Aragon and Catalonia on the river Cinca, thus putting all of la franja and a few currently aragonese villages on Catalonia, but it was later set to the river Segre by Peter III, thus putting all la franja and a few currently catalan villages into aragon. Over time, some villages like Lleida moved from Aragon to Catalonia and stayed there.
For demographical reasons: many villages were decimated during la Guerra dels Segadors and repopulated, or have grown almost exclusively with spanish-speaking people (binefar, vencillon?, which are both on Aragon), or created recently exclusively with spanish-speaking people (Gimenells "one of the leridan colonization municipalities, Gimenells", which is on Catalonia). Those villages are no longer or never were considered to be part of la franja and are considered like belonging to either Aragon or Catalonia.
For geographical reasons: important population centers that are very near to each other do not belong to the same community, so using geographical criteria to group the villages would not work. Fraga is very near to Lleida (20 km), but the former is aragonese and the later is catalan.
For linguistic reasons: grouping la franja villages under 1640-1659 Catalonia because of the language spoken on 20th century would misrepresent the real extent of Catalonia political territory at the time. Also, because of colonization and repopulation, it wouldn't even be misrepresenting accurately...
To sum it up, the current frontier is a good approximation of the real extent of Catalonia at that time, and a more detailed map would only change a few villages at the frontier, like, probably, Estopiñán_del_Castillo. The actual map is not perfect, but is good enough until someone produces a more accurate one without using blanket statements like "la franja was part of catalonia" which is not totally correct. (P.D.: caption ought to be changed to include "autonomous community of Catalonia" to further clarify it's not trying to represent the actual extension of Catalonia at the time) --Enric Naval (talk) 12:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
