Talk:Cat's Cradle
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[edit] What does a karass have to do with God's Will?
I don't understand the definitions of karass and granfalloon. What do they have to do with God's will? I'd say a karass is a set of people with a characteristic propetry in opposition to a granfalloon which is just a meaningless arbitrary set of people.
- Here's how it is described at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=karass - "A group of people linked in a cosmically significant manner, even when superficial linkages are not evident." If I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I read the book) the people in the karass find themselves sometimes acting out of their ordinary character, yet in concert to accomplish a goal; a goal unknown to any of the members of the karass (that's what makes it "God's will"). You hang out with a certain bunch, but can't really figure out why that particular group is "right" for you, but you feel good about it nonetheless. - Bevo 22:40, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Non-Fictional Ice-9
Text previously included the following, which I'm fairly sure is wrong. Evidence to the contrary anyone? Palfrey 20:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
- Non-fictional Ice-9
- There is a real substance also called ice-9 named after Kurt Vonneguts fictional Ice-9 because it has many of the same characteristics except that it doesn’t chain react as the fictional ice-9 does. The non-fictional Ice-9 is used in the oceans off the coast of Alaska to build cheap oil mining platforms. These oil mining platform can even be sailed down to tropical climates without melting and the Ice-9 is harder and stronger than steel. I found this in Reader’s Digest.
The bit on Richard Kelly may be off. See http://richard-kelly.net/news/2005/7-6-2005.html.
- There is a man-made substance called Pykrete, which is made of sawdust and ice: it has a very slow melting-rate, is extremely strong and doesn't chain-react with ordinary water. The substance described in the excerpt sounds a lot like Pykrete. Geoffrey C Vargo
[edit] Modest Mouse
" * The band Modest Mouse recorded a song entitled Secret Agent X-9 which appeared on the album Sad Sappy Sucker." Why was this removed?--TheCooperman 12:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Why shouldn't it have been removed? - 128.113.149.85 23:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
It's a cultural reference to the book like most other things in the "trivia" section. I say it should be there.
[edit] Allegory?
Is there any criticism that suggests that ice nine is allegorical for something?
It is indeed entirely possible that it is suggestive of man's pursuit of self destruction. (H-bomb + ice nine) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.122.138 (talk) 21:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hoenikker-Oppenheimer connection
The several paragraphs outlining possible similarities between Felix Hoenikker and Robert Oppenheimer seem to be extremely speculative and to me most of the points seem like quite a stretch. Is such a long discussion of this possible connection even necessary? Michael Sappir • (Talk) 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I wish that people would stop changing Teller and Ulam to Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer even has a speaking role in Cat's Cradle, although is not identified by name on page 25 of Cat's Cradle. Hoenikker *is* a composite of Teller's psychopathic personality and Ulam's odd manifestations of OCD. The research is so basic as to be unnecessary. Slagathor
- Is Oppenheimer the one who says: "Science has now known sin."? Geoffrey C Vargo 00:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Yeah. Vonnegut is paraphrasing Oppenheimer saying: “In some sort of crude sense, which no vulgarity, no humor, no overstatement can quite extinguish, the physicists have known sin; and this is a knowledge which they cannot lose.” Logically, if Oppenheimer is speaking in Cat's Cradle, then he isn't Hoenikker.Slagathor (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] spoilers
There is no "end spoilers" banner. That needs to be here.
[edit] external link
It should be noted that the website with the "free" ebook of cat's cradle requires some proof of identity and is sold to sponsors presumably so they can spam you. (see the privacy agreement on wowio.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.115.206.253 (talk) 06:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] See the cat? See the cradle?
Newt points out that a Cat's Cradle is just a formation of string that doesn't resemble a cat or a cradle. When he reveals that all of his sister's talk about her happy marriage was not true, he says "see the cat? See the cradle?" At first I took it to mean that he was stating that what his sister said about her marriage meant nothing, just as what anybody might say about a formation of string resembling a cat or a cradle means nothing. I consulted this article hoping to find out whether I'd interpreted it correctly or whether it meant something else that had gone right over my head, but there's no mention of Newt's analogy in the article.
So what did he mean?--Fingerknöchelkopf (talk) 11:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:CatsCradle(1963).jpg
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