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Contents 1 Notability of Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor) 2 Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor) 3 Notable 4 Your Comments on my talkpage 5 Nicholas Saunders (vice-chancellor) 6 you've done well 7 Calls for deletion 8 Newington College 9 St Joseph's College Hunter's Hill

[edit] Notability of Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor)

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Because Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor) seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. ExtraDry 10:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It asserted that he is the Vice-Chancellor of an Australian university and has previously been dean of two Australian medical schools. What part of his notability do you not understand? Castlemate 10:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read The notability guidelines ExtraDry 10:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself or ask the article's creator for advice on where to look for sources. Please explain why you question the notability of the subject.Castlemate 10:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. ExtraDry 10:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Explain how the article did not assert the subject's importance or significance and stop being clever - be helpful so I can assume good faith.Castlemate 10:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Once again i point you to the The notability guidelines. "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." ExtraDry 10:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor)

If you want the article to be kept then it's up to you to provide the references as to his notability. Also ExtraDry did not remove the article he just tagged it then the administrator User:Tone deleted it. Stop harrying ExtraDry. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

There was no evidence in the article of notability. Read the links that were provided to you. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sources have to be in the article and not on a user talk page. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The article has been deleted so I am not sure what sources were on it but there are plenty to attest to notability and could have been added if someone had just acted in good faith. Castlemate 11:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The links you gave me just show his qualifications and that the university was in debt. Why is he notable? The links from the deleted article were from University of Newcastle and It's an Honour. You can alswasy try Wikipedia:Deletion review. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia considers chancellors and vice-chancellors sufficiently notable to list them in a seperate table of university leaders and some of them have articles so why not others. The very fact that Saunders is tackling the debt problem and that he is receiving national press coverage seems to speak to his notability. Is someone having a joke here or am I just missing the point. If the article needed deletion surely it needed discussion rather than speedy removal.Castlemate 11:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I have submitted this article to a deletion review. That means that I have requested that the speedy deletion be looked at again. I have outlined why I believe, like you, that this article asserts notability. So far as I am concerned, just the fact that he was dean of two medical schools and a vice-chancellor of a major Australian university is enough for notability on its own. I have also pointed out that the criterion for award of the Centenary Medal to those in scientific disciplines was that they had made a national or international impact in their field. That, to me, suggests that the Australian government thinks Saunders is notable. David Newton 12:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's the link to Wikipedia:Deletion review#Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor). You should put in your comments there as to why the article should be restored. This gives everybody the opportunity for everybody to have a say in one place instead of across several talk pages. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

One last link. We should have all taken a few minutes to read (or re-read) Wikipedia:Assume good faith. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

That's why I said we all should have stopped and read it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable

If you look at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor) you will see the deleting admin changed their mind. I removed the tags because I didn't agree that the sources were self-published. As to it happening again, it's not likely for this particular article but it will happen to other articles. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

You happily dismissed one of the references you have now used only half an hour ago. Then it had no credibilty and you refused to accept notability. Your change of mind is most perculiar. The history for the page shows the reinstatement as being by ExtraDry and the deletion log shows the reinstatement as being by Tone - are they one and the same? This is all very confusing. Can you now assist in disambiguating Nicholas Saunders as the present to headings are confusing. Thank you in advance for your support and honest answers.Castlemate 13:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I changed my mind because I was convinced by both your comments and those of David Newton and the fact that Tone agreed to the undeletion. Tone and ExtraDry are different people. ExtraDry tagged the article and Tone delted it (and restored it). CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

And I just put headers on both the Saunders pages to link to the other. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Comments on my talkpage

Due to your rude behavior and your lack of WP:AGF, Your comments are not welcome on my talkpage. Any further comments will be removed. ExtraDry 14:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Simply and honestly explain why you called for the deletion of the article on Nicholas Saunders. Castlemate 14:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I have explained it to you before. Look up. ExtraDry 14:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

That in no way explains why an experienced editor who knows there way around Wikipedia behaved in such a arrogant and uncooperative fashion over such a simple matter that has now been solved by the addition of just one simple line of reference. What was the real problem? Castlemate 14:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicholas Saunders (vice-chancellor)

I've added my opinion on this matter. Good on you for fighting it and hanging in there. Definately a notable individual. Loopla 14:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] you've done well

(and please add the additional references you mention, for they will help the article) But if there are further complaints from the same editor, there is no need to reply--I cannot explain the behavior, but I can not see how further argument will help convince him of that. DGG 00:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I see you have already added them. Thank sfor it all. DGG 00:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calls for deletion

You might like to comment on the calls for deletion of Douglas Trathen, Michael Howe (headmaster) and Headmasters' Conference of the Independent Schools of Australia. Tallum 04:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newington College

Instead of multiple-reverts across an article, please discuss the matter at the talk page of the article, this will stop you wasting your time with reverting others changes. Cheers. Twenty Years 11:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

and now there is an AfD for John Waterhouse (headmaster)-- at [1]/.DGG (talk) 02:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] St Joseph's College Hunter's Hill

Ahh you are right!! Thanks for clearing that up Castlemate.. well now we have a photo for Kincoppal. Cheers. Loopla (talk) 02:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)