User talk:Cassius1213

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[edit] Order of precedence

Hi there - I saw you have gone through and added the "higher" and "lower" to each of the Australian medal pages infoboxes. However, you have added only the current medals. For example - in Commendation for Gallantry, you have said that the next higher is Australian Antarctic Medal, yet from the Australian Order of Precedence, it is actually Queen's Fire Service Medal for Distinguished Service. I realise that you are trying to show the next higher award that _could_ be awarded today, however it isn't actually as per the published Order. (actually, as a side note, the next current higher for the Commendation for Gallantry is the Royal Victorian Medal). Your thoughts? PalawanOz 21:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply - when I went through to update those pages, I did consider both approaches you took, and wasn't too sure on either (hence why I left them blank). In the end though, I think the way they are now is probably more correct - however, I think it's probably appropriate to get a more group consensus, and I'll raise the topic on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Orders, Decorations, and_Medals#Next (higher) and Next (lower) WP:ODM talk page. Oh - and also, I can't claim to be the "keeper" of the page, and I am trying to resist the feeling of 'ownership' over them, after all, Wikipedia belongs to everyone :)

I have mixed feelings about the "higher" - "lower" nomenclature. The Australian order is actually an "Order of wear", and although it does broadly reflect an order of prececedence, in some cases a succession of awards are actually considered "equal" in precedence. Government policy is that the Australian Service Medal, the Police Overseas Service Medal and the Humanitarian Overseas Service Medal have equivalence, and the sequence in the Order of Wear merely reflects the order in which they were established. I don't think this page can satisfy all points of view, and the simplest approach may be the one you've chosen. Just wanted to make the point, though, that the information presented could be misleading. I know the police consider their POSM should fall between the AASM and the ASM because of the way the order of wear is set out, when in reality it is considered equivalent to the ASM ...
Guran70 04:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)