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Contents 1 Comments 2 Modern usage 3 more examples of use in other fields 4 Nonsequitur 5 "Symmetrical contrast" 5.1 A Tale of Two Cities 6 Curse 7 Reality of Cassandra 8 In the Movies 9 Suggestions 10 Adam? Eric? Dean?

[edit] Comments

A tragic figure, yes, but some context would be nice :-) Welcome to Wikipedia by the way! --Anders Törlind well really Apollo liked Cassandra, apollo asked cassandr to kiss him and she would get the gift of seeing the future and that went down hill from there ~*NiCoLe*~

[edit] Modern usage

Most of the items here reference people who appear to only be mentioned in this entry. Do I sense self-promotion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.170.137 (talk) 23:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

This is yet another section in a mythology article that threatens to turn the article into just a big long list of characters and episode synopses from TV shows. This is getting old. Andy Christ (talk) 06:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC) well not everything here is true but alot of it is right and all of this is very interesting well that i thought but weird at the same time well really Apollo liked Cassandra, apollo asked cassandr to kiss him and she would get the gift of seeing the future and that went down hill from there ~*NiCoLe*~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.97.232 (talk) 21:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] more examples of use in other fields

i added another use i just stumbled on in an article by renowned historian Dr.Patrick Finney. mpearse 11:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsequitur

The article states that "Upon Agamemnon and Cassandra's arrival in Mycenae, Clytemnestra asked her husband to walk across a purple carpet; he initially refused then gave in and entered, not believing Cassandra's warnings." Although it previously mentioned that she predicted Ag's death, it was simply a cursory mention devoid of detail. It never previously mentioned anything about a purple carpet being involved. This therfore comes off as a nonsequitur. I am pointing this out for correction rather than correcting it myself because I don't know if she warned him not to walk on a purple carpet, to avoid purple, to not do what his wife asked, to avoid carpets in Mycenae, or any number of other possibilities. Someone please fix this. -68.196.0.191 13:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Weren't all of Cassandra's warnings ones of doom and destruction? In that sense, the use in the Grauniad would be correct, though shallow.

[edit] "Symmetrical contrast"

I deleted "Thus, a man whose prophecies are believed but do not come about stands in symmetrical contrast to a woman whose prophecies are disbelieved but come true", as it has a clear sexist (in this case, anti-male) subcontext, whether intentional or not. Furthermore, this "symmetry" can not exist between such distinct, independent traditions as ancient greek and judean mythology, as they are not comparable traditions. It is also a POV, which adds nothing informative to the subject. (Anonymous comment by somebody obsessed with Political Correctness).

Israel and Greece are both in the Eastern Mediterranean, which is far from being an impenetrable ocean. The Greek alphabet is derived from the Phoenician alphabet. There is no reason why the traditions could not have cross-fertilized. But even if Greece and Israel were thousands of miles apart or on different planets, it is most interesting that Jonah and Cassandra are in such structurally symmetric positions. Both of them, moreover, ended up very unhappy - Jonah as distressed by the non-fulfillment of his prophecy of doom as Cassandra was by the fulfillment of hers. You make a very good point, Anonymous, by bringing up the matter of gender. Perhaps if Cassandra had been a man she would have been believed. Perhaps if Jonah had been a woman he would not have been believed. Then Troy would have survived, but Niniveh would not. Das Baz 15:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, and it is an egregious absurdity to say that any contrast of public reactions to male and female pronouncements, implicit or explicit, intentional or not, is "sexist." Suppose someone said that a Black Prophet (like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) was disbelieved while a White Prophet was believed - would this be "racist"?Das Baz 15:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Tale of Two Cities

Troy and Niniveh are both in the Near Eastern cultural area, and only a few hundred miles apart from each other. Many people travelled between the two cities, as they were both major centers of trade and commerce. Das Baz 16:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Curse

I really think that the caveat of the gods that she would not believed should be mentioned in the opening. That's perhaps the single most important thing about the Cassandra myth. --DanielCD 02:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reality of Cassandra

"Much of Homer's story of Troy was real as proven by Heinrich Schliemann that discovered the city. We know that there was a Troy that was destroyed in war, right in the place that Homer said. There was also a King that likely had daughters. The earliest known version of the story did not say Cassandra had the power to tell the future. Beyond that, little is known for sure."

This is a highly dubious claim to make. A city most likely Ilium was discovered along the coast of Turkey by Schliemann, yes. However, to say that "much of Homer's story" was proven by Schliemann is a very shoddy assertion (even while excluding his notoriously destructive and careless excavation techniques). How is the real Troy similar to Homer's descriptions? How do you know there was a king? Was there only one king the entire time? When did he rule? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.178.216.95 (talk • contribs) .

I removed that section, as it isn't referenced anyway, and I agree it serves little purpose and gives no reliable information. --DanielCD 14:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In the Movies

The Cassandra Crossing - The Cassandra Crossing

[edit] Suggestions

Recommend the first reference to Agamemnon become a hyperlink to relevant article.

[edit] Adam? Eric? Dean?

Has somebody been playing with this page? Peter Delmonte 01:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and I've reverted it. --Bruce1ee 05:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)