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Welcome everyone. So what now? :) Guettarda 1 July 2005 03:03 (UTC)

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[edit] Florida, isn't it part of the Caribbean?

Just wonder...--tequendamia 4 July 2005 13:46 (UTC)

Geographically no (since, like the Bahamas, it doesn't touch the Caribbean Sea), but culturally yes. I'll add it to the list. Guettarda 1 July 2005 13:27 (UTC)
I was going to ask that Florida be considered as well. After all, the Bahamas are not in the Caribbean either. ℬastique▼talk 1 July 2005 13:55 (UTC)
Just because many caribbeans live in Florida, doesn't mean Florida is part of the Caribbean Culture. Many of those that feel part of the Caribbean feel that way because of their connection to a nation or island in the caribbean and not because of living in Florida. Florida has no historical or cultural association to the caribbean (well other that economically and some of the people that live there). So, I oppose including Florida as part of it. Now, we can't either only include nations in the ACS, since it doesn't include non-sovereign nations, e.g. Puerto Rico, etc. I know different people will have different opinions, so why not try to find if their is consensus? Anyway, I do want to say that I'm very happy to see this notice board started, and I hope to share views and opinions with other caribbeans.Cjrs 79 July 1, 2005 16:39 (UTC)


Yes, I can't see how Florida could be included. All the Hispanic countries from Venezuela to Mexico have a Caribbean coastline though none of the countries define themselves as Caribbean. I am not entirely sure about Mexico; do we consider Yucatan to be in the Caribbean? Cuba has been politically isolated for many years so how it integrates into the Caribbean is an interesting question. So I am primarily interested in the Spanish Caribbean, SqueakBox July 1, 2005 17:05 (UTC)

[edit] Geologically?

Good question. I don't think any of the answers offered so far are quite right. The West Indies excludes countries in Central and South America and the Association excludes Puerto Rico, the U.S. and British Virgin Islands, etc.

How about geologically/geographically (to a first approximation)? The Caribbean Sea roughly covers the Caribbean Plate. We could define the Caribbean as those countries/islands which are on or border the Caribbean plate. This includes all of the West Indies (minus the Bahamas?) as well as the relevant Central and South American mainland countries. I think the plate actually covers only Belize through Venezuela.

I'd also include Mexico (Cozumel is just about on the plate boundary) and perhaps the Bahamas. It's worth noting that the World Factbook lists them both as bordering the Caribbean Sea. I'd also probably include Guyana, Suriname, and maybe French Guiana, since they are also nearby and culturally similar (though I think technically they don't border the Caribbean Sea). Generally, I'd rather be over-inclusive than under-inclusive.

I don't think Florida or Bermuda are Caribbean though. I've never been to the Keys, but the parts of Florida I have been to are not particularly culturally Caribbean (no more so, than, say certain areas of NYC or Toronto). Bermuda is nowhere near the Caribbean; it's about 600 miles east of North Carolina, 600 miles south of Cape Cod, and 1500 miles north of Puerto Rico.

-- Gruepig 1 July 2005 15:37 (UTC)

[edit] Pragmatically

Neither the Caribbean islands (strictly speaking) or Central America have much critical mass as individual groups -- here on Wikipedia, I mean -- so it certainly wouldn't hurt to combine them. Mexico, Bermuda, and the Bahamas probably have more in common (culturally, historically, etc.) with the Islands and the Isthsmus than with the the rest of North America, so toss them in too. Florida? Well, there's already a Southern U.S. subdivision so the need isn't so pressing. but there's no reason why areas can't overlap, is there? (Same would go for the Guyanas and Caribbean South America vs. South America as a whole.) –Hajor 1 July 2005 15:52 (UTC)


[edit] My Two Cents

It is undeniable that Florida's southern tip is within the Caribbean (as is the eastern coast of Mexico) and that the Caribbean influence in that region is strong but, what do they consider themselves? What about the native Floridanians(?) who live in the rest of the state, do they consider themselves Caribbean? I don't think so. I believe that Bermuda is in the Atlantic Ocean and not the region known as the Caribbean. In the moderate list stated above, dependencies "must" be included. Nations that are in the Caribbean cannot be excluded only because they are dependent or a colony of another nation. We Puerto Ricans, for example, proudly consider ourselves Caribeños. Another thing, just because a nation is politically isolated, as in the case of Cuba, doesn't mean that it stopped being a Caribbean nation as mentioned above. I recommend the article: Caribbeanas a source.Tony the Marine 1 July 2005 17:13 (UTC)

Technically, the Florida peninsula is not in the Caribbean--it is bounded on the east by the Atlantic Ocean, on the west by the Gulf of Mexico and the south by the Straits of Florida. The Caribbean Sea is south of Cuba. ℬastique▼talk 4 July 2005 00:38 (UTC)

[edit] Defining us as a group

The way I look at things, it should be self-identification. If you think of yourself as a "Caribbean" person, regardless of where you are from, then you should be welcomed with open arms. If you have any interest in matters relating to the Caribbean, if you want to improve the coverage of the Caribbean here at Wikipedia, if you simply like the idea of the Caribbean - you are more than welcome. And if for some reason you feel that your area of interest innot Caribbean, that's fine too.

From my perspective, we have always been too willing to allow politics, race and national boundaries separate us. I grew up in sight of Venezuela, but I have only set foot in that country once, and I never left Caracas airport. We let ourselves be separated by countries and by language barriers. Sure, we can always find things to separate us, ways to draw boundaries around our little communities, but there is more that binds us together. I was amazed when I first went to Puerto Rico how unforeign it felt.

I hope everyone who wants to be here can feel welcome, and I hope we can use this page both as a chance to get to know one another and to work to improve the coverage of the Caribbean (however you choose to define it). Guettarda 1 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)

Well-said; I agree completely. And I also second the comment that it's great to see this notice board page.
--Gruepig 3 July 2005 17:43 (UTC)

[edit] Florida and Caribbeans

My only thought about Florida, especially my home of Broward County is very much influenced by Caribbean culture. Not only are there a huge amount of Cubans, Jamaicans and Haitians living here but also large numbers of people from all over the Caribbean. Enough so, that when dealing with a census population statistics, the use of the term African American when describing a portion of a city or town's population is entirely deceptive. Most Jamaican and even Jamaican Americans around here prefer to describe themselves as that, or sometimes even that term losing acceptance among Americans: black. I'm not fond of classifying groups of people in racial terms, simply because I don't believe in the existance of race. However, and I'd like other people's opinions on this, should we not change the articles that deal with city (such as Lauderhill, Florida) from reading African American XX% to African American or black XX%?

I guess I'm bringing it up here because this specifically involves Caribbean people, and this sort of thing should be considered on a board with Caribbean people. ℬastique▼talk 4 July 2005 00:52 (UTC)

[edit] Lets Start With the Obvious...

Looking at the list of "Caribbean" countires on the main page here-it looks like we need to fill in a lot of blanks. It seems, just by looking at it for a couple seconds, that non-self governing territories, which although not soverign states with representation in the CARIBCOM, they are still important parts of the Caribbean.

P.S.-This is my first post here-I came across it on the Cayman Islands (Which im currently working on expanding) talk page. I have spent a lot of time on Caribbean articles, namely Cayman Islands, Saint John, United States Virgin Islands, Seven Mile Beach, Grand Cayman and Grand Cayman and look forward to working with all of you. --Gpyoung 4 July 2005 18:36 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning the Categories section of the Caribbean portal

I was thinking of reforming the Categories section of the Caribbean portal in a way that will resemble the Canadian portal's category section, if that's OK with you all. (unsigned comment by User:Toussaint)

Thanks for the effort, it looks good. Guettarda 8 July 2005 11:29 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Caribbean Wikipedians

Further to Toussaint's post of 8 July 2005 above I couldn't see a Caribbean Wikipedians Category, so I've taken the liberty of setting one up: Category:Caribbean Wikipedians I hope you don't mind!

To add yourself to this list, insert the following on your user page:

[[Category:Caribbean Wikipedians|Your Username]]

I look forward to hearing from other Caribbean Wikipedians soon!

Vivenot 16:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My thoughts on the definition of the Caribbean.

I'm a Caribbean buff. I have a hard time talking about the subject with people who consider Belize or Suriname part of the Caribbean. I'm not hardcore about it being only the nations within the Caribbean Sea either, though. I don't mind including nations who are outside the normal boundaries... but

Most importantly is, it has to be an island nation; mainland countries are NOT part of the Caribbean, no matter how much they might be politically/economically involved in the Caribbean, or whether or not their culture is heavily influenced by the Caribbean. New York is heavily influenced by Jewish and Asian cultures but no one ever says it's part of Israel or Asia!

All the island nations can be considered Caribbean as far as I'm concerned. Even Bermuda. I don't have a problem with that, but to include non-island nations is to miss the point of the Caribbean in the first place. The Caribbean is about the island lifestyle, and it's history is as port cities, not the eventual destinations of ships.

No, those won't work. Guyana and Belize are part of the Caribbean; there is absolutely no doubt about that. The island nation definition could only work if it is made clear that they are exceptions to that rule. Hairouna 04:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree in large part with a statement that Guettarda made in regards to 'whom really is Caribbean'. I must say that I am likewise infavor of an open arms policy. The politics, race, history etc. does make everything complicated. Not to mention there is no way to define "Caribbean" because it's a term I believe applied to a people's in the region -- as opposed to clearly defined place. But the problem is ancestors of Caribbean nomads also lived in Central America as well.
Don't forget- nothing in the Caribbean can be clearly defined because for example although the Bahamas isn't "Caribbean" assuming you go by the definitation of touching "Caribbean Sea" it was clearly Caribbean when the island was only administered from Jamaica. Just as Abaco and Nassua are both a part of the Bahamas. The Bahamas themselves were for all pratically purposes I believe a part of Jamaica, same thing for Belize("British Honduras") in Central America.
The other point I want to make. I believe you can likewise have parts of Central America that believe they are Caribbean because for example in historic times countries hardly ever- built-up themselves inland. Inland was usually left for explorers or if there was a specific reason to leave the trading port city's coastline. In the 1500's -1600's there were not many (if any) road likages between Latin American counties. The road network is not like it is today. Thus travel throughout Central America was mostly by ship. Be that as it may, it can be argued that there was a strong probability that those same ships which traveled to Central America would stop in the Caribbean basin on their way somewhere. So you had a stong convergence of culture through-out the Caribbean and Latin America.
Also borders in the Caribbean have been shifted over time.... Some countries have been pulled apart in colonial times, other's merged together. Others yet amalgamated with another which were previously separate. Or states that still exsist but have changed shape (example- Haiti and Dominican Republic("Santo Domingo") -- each have taken turns controling upto ~ 75% of their island of.) Another example is while most people consider Guyana as Caribbean. It now doesn't touch the Caribbean Sea since the Guiana Highlands are now a part of Venezuela. Same thing goes for Guyana with trade links. Guyana is still mainly a costal country only more recently has Guyana established and links at all with South America and the plans for interstate highways into Brazil, Venezuela, and Suriname are only now coming to fruition. As far as Bermuda goes, I know they aren't in the Caribbean but I haven't been willing to write them off that easily. They are mid-Atlantic and isolated among giants (EU, Canada, and USA.) They've had no choice almost but to deepen ties with the Caribbean many of the same challanges which Bermuda is facing are the same issues going on in the Caribbean. It's been easier for them to devise their plan of actions along with the rest of the Caribbean region. I believe many Bermudians are also decendents of Bahamians and Jamaicans mostly. CaribDigita 02:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that Guyana has to unquestionably be part of the Caribbean. It forms part of the East Caribbean Supreme Court circuit, and supplies more judges than any other nation! --Legis (talk - contributions) 11:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation request

I'm not from the Caribbean area... I was just working on disambiguation pages by myself and ended up in Cantons of Costa Rica. I noticed there are several ambiguous links there; basically all the places that are names of saints, like Santa Ana. The situation is the same for many other articles in the region, and in the whole of Latin America I guess. I thought I should let people know in this page, which is probably much more active and reaches more people than the articles that are just lists. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 11:49, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Assorted Caribbean politics questions

Copied from here:

7. Saint-Martin and Saint-Barthélemy voted to become separate collectivités d'outre-mer in 2003 – when will this be implemented?
9. What's the latest news on the status reform of Flag of Aruba Aruba and the Flag of the Netherlands Antilles Netherlands Antilles? I thought there was supposed to be a decision by mid-2005?
12. As far as I know, Nevis still wants to become independent from Flag of Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Kitts and Nevis; however, there hasn't been a second referendum yet, and they've been talking about it since about three or four years ago. Any clue what the latest news are?

  • Well the Premier of Nevis Mr. Vance Amory is styling himself like he's already independent of the Saint Kitts and Nevis Federation. I went on their website and it seems more like the Prime Minister of the Federation [1] is more-so calling himself the "Prime Minister of Saint Kitts".(full stop) Mr. Amory meanwhile, is calling himself the "Premier of Nevis".
Last I heard the leaders attended a meeting in Canada for consultations on how to wrap-up the Saint Kitts and Nevis Federation (Canada is a Federation of Provinces too). And sticking points included the citizens of Saint Kitts and Nevis both contributing to their national insurance and pension insurance scheme, pulling the two apart will be a fiscal nightmere. e.g how much money should St. Kitts get Vs. Nevis. Then also what about citizens of Saint Kitts living in Nevis- would they be expected to in the future contribute to Saint Kiits *and* also Nevis insurance + pension programmes.
I think Nevis still wants to go it alone so I've started to update all three articles

1)'Saint Kitts', 2)'Saint Kitts and Nevis', and 3)'Nevis' articles just incase.

Articles 2004: Date set for talks on Nevis secession bid, Nevis to seek Treaty of Friendship with St Kitts
Articles 2005: The Forum of Federations is a biased observer

Another example:

  • Tourism website for Saint Kitts -- [2].
  • Tourism website for Nevis -- [3].

CaribDigita 19:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

15. Is there any actual development on the idea that the Flag of the Turks and Caicos Islands Turks and Caicos Islands could join Flag of Canada Canada, or is this proposal dead?

  • I actually happen to know persons in Canada which are working on this, and I've been dialoguing with them since I know quite a bit about the Caribbean in general and am trying to steer them away from pit falls, bad P.R, or a bad policy. The issue is not- dead. ONE-- of many persons that are still pushing the Turks and Caicos Islands (TC's) affiliation with Canada is a "Conservative Party" Minister of Parliament (MP) from Edmonton, Peter Goldring ([4]) or ([5]). Now, many other's are still behind this too- keep that in mind. The problem you maybe witnessing is this issue hibernates in Canada during the summer. As soon as winter is coming, or is- in effect the issue becomes big again on that side. The fore-mentioned govenment MP has tabled a document in parliament and is waiting for Parliament to discuss if there's economic intrest to go further with the intative. Paul Martin invited the TC's Chief Minister to talks in Canada, but no date has been set. The Chief Minister - Michael Misick will be getting married soon, Paul_Martin is tied up with the "sponsorship scandal". etc. so it will take some time. CaribDigita 19:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for any information you might be able to contribute. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 09:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

For anyone interested: [6] —Nightstallion (?) 17:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monserrat and CARICOM (CSME)

If I could also tag another question here. The British Overseas Territory of Montserrat basically was found- to have signed the CARICOM agreement in haste without fully consultating in concert with the United Kingdom government. Mainly since CARICOM includes political union, and the free movement of people between states, as well as an understanding that Montserrat would be expected to be merging their economy along with their neighbours into the CSME.

They did not do this on purpose, the nation had planned to become independent however- that was stymed by the Volcano eruption and the fleeing of 2/3 of their citizens. Has anyone found out if the U.K. government has now officially blessed Montserrat's implement of the 'Free Movement' clause of CARICOM and it's ability to concide it's economy to the CSME instead of the EU? CaribDigita 19:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

This seems to indicate they were officially allowed to - or at least, this one guy thinks so. While we're at it, though, what are the chances that Flag of Montserrat Montserrat will actually become independent after its population and economy will have recovered, say, in five or ten years? ナイトスタリオン ✉ 05:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Yikes, I hadn't realized it has been over 2 year since I heard this. Basically it was something I heard on a Caribbean radio station, these are similar excerpts to that issue [7], [8], [9] I haven't heard anything since- about a date when Montserrat--- could join the CCJ most other states have pegged their time frame to within a decade timeframe *smirk* CaribDigita 15:28, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

On Monserrat Independence, I haven't heard any polls on the support for it now. It all hinges on whether the ruling party feels they have the necc. votes to get it approved of. CaribDigita 15:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Appearently Monserrat is actually still seeking the permission of the United Kingdom to join the CSME. Caribbean economic trade bloc takes partial effect - Tuesday, January 03, 2006 CaribDigita 04:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
nods Alrighty. Thanks! It seems independence would be the easiest way to go meanwhile... ;) —Nightstallion (?) 07:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

As for the Netherlands Antilles (NA), St. Martin and St. Barths, The NA will be gone by July of '07. Curacao and Sint Maarten would get status aparte and the other three islands would become 'Kingdom Islands'. An agreement was signed last month between these islands and the main government [10]. As for St.Martin and St. Barth's the proposal is currently before the Conseil d’Etat. If they approve it, it would go through the French parliament. If they approve, St. Barths and St.-Martin will become a COM by the end of next year. See [11] for the details. - - Thanks, Hoshie | North Carolina flag 22:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the Netherlands Antilles: What will happen to the common currency? Will only Curacao and Sint Maarten get separate ISO codes, or will the Kingdom Islands also have one? Will the Kingdom Islands officially become an Ultra-Peripheral Region of the Flag of Europe European Union? Or have all of these technicalities not yet been discussed? ナイトスタリオン ✉ 07:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
As for your questions:
Currency: A thread at Bonaire Talk (a message board for locals) seems to speculate that Bonaire, as one of the 'Kingdom Islands' could switch to the Euro. As for Curacao and Sint Maarten, I'm not sure on them.
ISO: If Aruba got an ISO code when it gained status aparte, I don't see why Sint Maarten and Curacao wouldn't. From the hints that have been dropped about 'Kingdom Islands' status, it appears this means closer links with the European part of the Kingdom.
UPR status: I dont know.
Hope this helps. - Thanks, Hoshie | North Carolina flag 01:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I expected something like that, yeah. Personally, I'd expect the Kingdom Islands to become UPR and adopt the euro most definitely - the only thing I'm not sure about is whether they'll have an ISO code (like the French DOM) or not (like the Azores, Madeira, the Canary Islands). Nightstallion ✉ 06:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Here's a blog post that gives a little more information on 'Kingdom Islands' status. - Thanks, Hoshie | North Carolina flag 22:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
So basically, we still don't know whether they'll be overseas territories or outermost regions. Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 07:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
As for currency, it looks like there will be different currencies for both Curacao & St. Maarten. (See this.) Still no idea on the future "Kingdom Islands" status. - Thanks, Hoshie | Grand Union Flag 00:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
As was to be expected. Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 10:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Total population?

What is the total population of the carribean (I'm interested in just the islands, none of the coastal countries)?

Explain exactly who you wanted included. You'll notice most islands are smaller than the size of many North America/EU cities.

  • UK territories????
    • Anguilla: 12,800
    • BVI: 21,730
    • Cayman Islands: 44,270
    • Montserrat: 9,341
  • Fr. Territories????
    • Guadeloupe: 448,713
    • Martinique: 432,900
    • St. Martin: 33,102
    • St. Barts: 6,852
  • Neth. Territories????
    • Aruba: 110,000
    • Bonaire: 10,791
    • Curaçao: 173,400
    • Saba: 1,424
    • St. Maarten, 30,594
    • Sint Eustatius: 2,292
  • U.S. Territories????
    • Puerto Rico: 3,916,632
    • USVI: 124,778
  • Then there's the independent:
    • Antigua and Barbuda: 67,448
    • Barbados: 276,607
    • Cuba: 11,345,670
    • Dominica: 69,029
    • Dominican Republic: 8,950,034
    • Grenada: 89,502
    • Haiti: 8,121,622
    • Jamaica: 2,731,832
    • Saint Kitts and Nevis: 38,819
    • Saint Lucia: 160,145
    • Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 110,000
    • Trinidad and Tobago: 1,262,366
  • Do you want Mid Atlantic/(Geo-political Caribbean states)????
    • Bahamas? 301,790
    • Belize? 283,000
    • Bermuda(UK)? 64,482
    • Guyana? 765,283
    • Suriname? 438,144
    • Turks and Caicos Islands(UK)? 20,000

I do know if you add up all of CARICOM (including Haiti's 8 Million) you end up with ~ 14-15 million. To put that into perspective. The USA pop. =300M, Brazil=185M, Japan=127M, Mexico=103M, Germany=83M, France=64M, United Kingdom=60M, Canada=32M, Venezuela = 25M, Guatemala=15M.... State of Florida=16M, New York City=8M. CARICOM is well, somewhat tiny if you think about it.

CaribDigita 15:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Guyanese writers.

I have been working on the Guyanese writers category. There are now articles for 55 authors. Some are still stubs.

The main article, Literature of Guyana, needs some work. Volunteers are welcome. Nick Taylor 14:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defining the Caribbean - proposal

hi folks, i am working on some geographical analyses of plants in the Caribbean. upon so doing, i've stumbled around the Caribbean Portal and wikipages, and ultimately on this page about "what/where is the Caribbean"?

i propose three categories for places in the Caribbean:

1 - island nations and territories in the Caribbean Sea

2 - mainland nations with Caribbean Sea borders or islands (so this will include Honduras and Venezuela's out-islands, for example)

3 - CARICOM members not otherwise represented (i.e., Bermuda)

this way, one can easily find that Costa Rica has a Caribbean coast, and that there are Caribbean people there, but its not an island nation of the Caribbean. thoughts?--naomi 11:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standard naming scheme

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two key Caribbean articles needing a lot of work

Hi, I've been reviewing articles for Version 0.5, and seen two articles I think Caribbean editors should try to improve. One is Martinique, which is in a shocking state compared to most articles on islands of this size (ca. 300,000 people live there!). Puerto Rico (a GA) might be a model to emulate. I've included Martinique in Version 0.5, because we consider the topic important enough to include, but it's currently the only "Stub-Class" article in the entire CD out of over 1200 articles so far. Please try to expand it!

The second article is Viv Richards, which I had hoped to include in Version 0.5 because of his importance in cricket, one of the all-time greats. Surely this great Caribbean hero deserves at least a Good Article? There aren't many good cricketer articles, they mostly are very weak on references (the FAs wouldn't pass today), but Donald Bradman might be an article worth looking at. Thanks! Walkerma 09:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 01:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Churches in the Caribbean

I recently created a category: Category:Churches in the Caribbean, mainly because I thought it deserved a category after I wrote an article on St Phillip's Church, Tortola. However, I have been unable to find any other articles on Caribbean churches (I thought that Codrington College in Barbados might qualify, but apparently it is only a college and not a church). If anyone is aware of any other church articles, can they either put in the appropriate category tag, or message me and I can do it? Legis 13:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Not aware of any, but it's good to know the category exists. Guettarda 14:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I only know of Porta Coeli (Puerto Rico). Joelito (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if this should (eventually) be a subcat of "Places of worship in the Caribbean" to include non-Christian places of worship. Guettarda 18:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Great idea. I think that would work well since I noticed that several islands now have articles about "Islam" in the Caribbean. Your proposed Cat: for various places of worship in the Caribbean would cover that plus these churches and so on. I have no fears that in time it would be a moderatly well populated category. CaribDigita 03:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dominican Republic

Hello. Just wanted to ask if there is some new administrative division of the Dominican Republic or edits like this: [12] from this user [13] is just sneaky vandalism. Thank you. - Darwinek 10:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Germanic culture?!

I notice that articles and categories relating to the culture of various Caribbean nations (including Saint Lucia,Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados and St Kitts and Nevis) have been classified under Category:Germanic culture, which seems somewhat bizarre to me. I have queried this with the editor who did this and this was his response:

"Well English and the English people in general have shaped it so as they use a Germanic language, and have many Germanic characteristics, if I am not mistaken it is also under "Caribbean Culture" as well?, so i think that gives it justification, since its a "blend" of cultures."

What is the opinion of other Caribbean editors out there? --Vivenot 15:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC) --Vivenot 16:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Utterly ridiculous. They should be removed.-- Zeitzen(talk) 17:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow - did you look at the whole category? It's really funny. Guettarda 18:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I see Brazil in there for one! But I think it's the Celts, the Welsh and Irish that are going to hit the roof most at the categorisation. The English will simply gristle at the idea that a hybrid language - a loose incorporation of ancient Germanic forms amongst celtic and Romance - implies that English culture has "Germanic characteristics". By the rationale provided everywhere from Uganda to Bangladesh to Hong Kong should also be categorised as "Germanic"?-- Zeitzen(talk) 20:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
You might consider making it all a subcat of Indo-European culture, or maybe just Cat:Human culture...and since we're all primates, why not cat:Primate culture. That should satisfy everyone. Guettarda 05:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who sees the absurdity of the situation. Anyway, it seems that the Germanic cultural classification of the Caribbean has been reverted by an IP editor (not me honest!). Refer to : Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Category:Germanic_culture --Vivenot 10:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A head's up

Just to let everyone know, we've gotten an OTRS complaint about Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Basdeo Panday. The original ticket is over a month old, but the complaint relates to phrasing; specifically, that Basdeo Panday was charged for fraud, which is apparently the incorrect thing to say. The wording has already been changed, and I've added a reference, but a couple of extra eyes on these articles would be great. (Basdeo Panday could use cleanup in general).--§hanel 00:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Haiti

Portal:Haiti is up and running. Please take a look and add anything which might improve the page.-- Zleitzen(talk) 17:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current government of Venezuela

The best site I found that was most useful washttp://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0921816.html. It has a good place about the people and economy. It also has about the hitory. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SammieMRR (talk • contribs) 19:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Caribbean Wikipedians Category up for deletion/merger

Please come and contribute to the discussion. --Vivenot 20:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion#Category:Caribbean_Wikipedians

[edit] An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

Hello folks,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community will be holding its 1st Meet-up in Cebu City (the fourth one in the Philippines) on June 23-24, 2008. This coincides with the first Philippine Open Source Summit also to be held in Cebu, and which the Philippine Wikipedia Community is a Implementing Partner in. We invite you to join us in this event. If you are in the IT or IT-enabled services industry, this would be a great opportunity to network with leaders from the 4th best outsourcing city in the world. This is also a good excuse to visit our beautiful beaches :)

If you're interested in joining the Wikipedia meet-up, please join our discussion. To register for the Open Source Summit, please contact CEDF-IT. If you would like some assistance with local accomodations, you may email User:Bentong Isles.

The Philippine Wikipedia Community
WP:PINOY