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[edit] Anglican Coalition in Canada.

I've removed some contested and unsourced info from there, please read Wikipedia:Verifiability (and Help:Edit summary). Hopefully the article can be unstubbed again. -- Jeandré, 2006-04-02t15:09z

[edit] Protestant PMs

Just for future reference, Lester Pearson was a Methodist and I think Kim Campbell was an Anglican. Don't worry about it, though, we all make mistakes. Habsfan|t 18:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Book of Alternative Services

You said, "...and one [service of the Eucharist] more in line with the language of the 1962 Prayer Book. The latter text is sometimes known as the "Toronto Rite" and is a bone of contention amongst Prayer Book Anglicans." Could you elaborate? This is an interesting point. I wonder what the nature of their objection is. It could go into the article to clarify the observation. Thanks. Masalai 16:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

That is indeed interesting, and the Prayer Book Society, who sometimes come across as rather eccentric old fuddy duddies even to those who are not out of sympathy with them, so have a point about the contemporary language eucharist in the BAS. I think the article could do with actually briefly stating what their objections are, rather than merely referring to that paper, which could well disappear from the Net in due course. Do you agree? I'm happy to provide a couple of sentences if you would rather not. My compliments, incidentally, on your contributions generally: I've long been an admirer of your work. Masalai 03:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michaëlle Jean

Hey, I noticed you are a regular contributor to many Canadian articles. It also seems that you are the sort of "type" that would know this :-) How is Michaëlle Jean pronounced? If you know, could you please add it to her vanity page. Thanks ! - Abscissa 01:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland

I've added a response to your question at Talk:Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland --PeterR 18:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diocese of Niagara

I deleted the same-sex unions discussion topics because I didn't think it defined the Diocese of Niagara, nor did it flow with the article (in terms of being placed in the history section). I'm not trying to deny it happened; in fact I think it speaks volumes about the diocese, but didn't think it fit within the current layout of the article. Mouswj 02:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I would suggested expanding the article to include a fuller history; and section pertainting to newsworthy items relating to the Diocese (there have been several).

[edit] Anglican sacraments

Regarding your addition to the definition of Holy Matrimony, the definition I provided is that currently accepted by the Anglican Communion. In other words, it is describes what Holy Matrimony is, not what it could be. While I fervently pray that the definition will be expanded to a more inclusive one, there is at the moment no question that Holy Matrimony in every diocese of the Anglican Communion is defined as the union between a man and a woman. I think that a useful discussion might be included in Christian views on marriage, but I want to seek your agreement to revert your edit on the grounds that the article should describe what the sacraments are, not what they theoretically could or should be. You thoughts? Cheers, Fishhead64 21:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Months later, and we still disagree!

Hi, CFP. I hope all is well with you. We haven't been involved in editing the same articles for a while now — but I note that as soon as we do, we disagree! Hope you can accept "disputed". I'm trying for a wording that doesn't imply that one Church (even if it's mine!) is "right" and that the other is "wrong". By the way, I want to thank you for a thoughtful post that you left on my talk page a few months ago, and to apologize for not having responded. I meant to, but I suddenly got caught up in other things, and eventually archived your post. Maybe sometime I still might respond, as I have it in one of my talk page archives. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 20:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglican Eucharistic theology

I've finally gotten around to expanding and editing this. If you have a moment several hours, look it over and let me know how I did. Cheers, Fishhead64 21:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

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[edit] Shifted Sydney Anglicans

Hey! I noticed you shifted the Sydney Anglicans article. I was wondering why? There was an existing discussion on the talk page regarding the article name. Journeyman 07:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. You're right, articles should have consistent names. I would take exception though at your comment that "Sydney is largely Anglican in-name-only". We are not anglican in-name only, we are anglicans by history and theology - we stand in the reformed origin of the church of England... Cranmer, Latimer, Ridley, Hooper, Foxe, Ryle, the Clapham Sect, etc. We hold strongly to the theology of the BCP and 39 articles, particularly the inspiration and authority of scripture.

Given my knee-jerk reply above, oops :) I should definitely join WP:Anglicans. Cheers! Journeyman 23:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

re: your comment on my talk page that "classical Anglicanism is both Reformed 'and' Catholic". In my limited understanding catholicism (popery? ;) ) only came back into Anglicanism under the influence of the Tractarians in the nineteenth century. Anglicanism was consistuted around a return to the biblical, apostolic faith and a rejection of salvation by works, the real presence and the other 'pernicious' doctrines of Rome (sola fidei, sola scripture, soli deo gloria, etc.). Thus by returning to Rome, anglo-catholicism is a rejection of the biblical apostolic faith. Journeyman 05:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen Harper's church

For one, where is your citation, and for second, he was raised in a presbyterian church, not the United Church of Canada. SFrank85 00:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, it came right from his mouth, but he is not a member of the UCC. SFrank85 01:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Priesthood of all believers

Regardless of how "Evangelical" this concept may be, it simply doesn't work in a diocese in which women are not permitted to preach and teach. Believe me, in Sydney the notion of the "priesthood of all believers" is not something that is broadly subscribed to.

I have listened to many long and tiresome sermons from a Sydney Evangelical who constantly hammered the notion of the "Apostolic Succession" and the special role of the ordained priest. The only reason why this lay presidency thing is a possibility is because of the relative lack of importance in Sydney of the Eucharist.

I don't know where you are living, but judging by your list of contributions, it is not Sydney but Canada. Please don't imagine that Sydney Evangelicals are like people from other places that call themselves Evangelicals. Dean Phillip Jensen would be quick to tell you that everyone wants to hop on the band-waggon and call themselves Evangelicals. But few of them actually ARE. At least, they're not true proper Evangelicals, whatever they might think! (Yes I read the interview in which he said something like this, I think it's at the Anglican Church League website.)

So, whatever Evangelicalism is like in Canada, then it is NOT like that here! The notion of the term "Priesthood of all believers" being associated in any way with the Anglican Diocese of Sydney is to me, as a female Sydney Anglican, really offensive. And there are about 150 of my friends and associates who would be equally offended. --Amandajm 12:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Carolyn, I understand and subscribe to the notion of "a priesthood of all believers" but if the term is used in relation to Sydney, then I am just going to keep removing it. Believe me, I live in the diocese. It is not an appropriate term to include when you are talking about SYDNEY Evangelicalism. Please don't put it back. --Amandajm 22:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Carolynparrishfan! Just looked down your ID list. Another Aspie..... so am I. Maybe most people who write for Wiki fall into that boat. Please take seriously what I am saying about Sydney being different. Can I suggest that if you have not yet done so, you look up all the media references that are cited in the article? It makes inetersting reading. Have a little explore on the various websites, look for quotes from the Dean, for example.

--Amandajm 23:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I've written something to the effect of Carolynparrishfan's comment on the Sydney Diocese talk page. It's a difference in the greek between presbyter and priest. Presbyters are ordained by the church, priests are not. Journeyman 06:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglican Diocese of Saint David's

Hi there! Was there a reason why you moved Diocese of Saint David's to Anglican Diocese of Saint David's? The former is now just a redirect to the latter. All the other dioceses of the Church in Wales are simply called Diocese of X. If there's no particular reason, can I move it back? Thanks. — Gareth Hughes 22:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I understand that it is important that when two or more churches call their diocese or bishop by the same title that it is importan to disambiguate between them fairly. The historical situation in England and Wales, however, is that only four of each of the Anglican and Roman Catholic dioceses have the same name. In Liverpool, the simple solution is that we have the Archdiocese of Liverpool, which is Catholic, and the Diocese of Liverpool, which is Anglican (we have the same situation with the Archdiocese of Southwark/Diocese of Southwark and Archdiocese of Birmingham/Diocese of Birmingham). Things break down with the Diocese of Portsmouth, which is the name of the article on Anglican diocese, whereas the older, Catholic diocese is at Catholic diocese of Portsmouth — I thing this is a clear case for disambiguation. I noticed that all Church in Wales dioceses were under Diocese of X except the Anglican Diocese of Saint David's.I found this strange because no Catholic diocese has the same name as an English one in Wales — the Diocese of Menevia is the Catholic diocese nearest to St David's. Perhaps we should take this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anglicanism for a wider consensus. — Gareth Hughes 11:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan Party

Hello,

Could you please add Saskatchewan Party to your watchlist (and revert the current version, if someone hasn't already done so). Two SP partisans seem to have a very limited grasp of NPOV. CJCurrie 23:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Catholic Church

Dear Carolynparrishfan,

I was saddened to read your note on my talk page. With sincerity I am saddened by your personal experience in the Church that has made you feel forced out. Even without knowlegde of your situation, I believe I can still say that anyone is welcome as a member of the Church and to practice the faith according to their situation. I would hope that if you had a pastoral relationship with someone in the Church's ministry, you would be accepted as a person and treated with compassion.

As I have indicated on the Anglicanism talk page, I regret the harsh things I have said on WP about Anglicans and others. I allowed months of frustration to build up and vented it in a poor fashion. For that I am sorry.

As you know we disagree on the naming of the Catholic Church on WP. As an encyclopedia, WP should be committed to facts that are verifiable. The fact is that the Catholic Church has a name which is verifiable. "Roman" is what many others would like the Church's name to be for a variety of arguably good reasons.

What the Church means by Catholic Church: historical continuity with the early church based on apostolicity in general and Petrine apostolicity in particular.

What the Church does not mean by Catholic Church: an exclusive right to "Catholicity." This is verifiable. The Church recognizes the the Old Catholic Church and others. The Church in Lumen Gentium and Ut Unum Sint and other documents has recognized the means of salvation in other Christian churches and has said that we share a real though imperfect "communion." The Church takes those words seriously and continues to refer to them and draw from them in its relationship with other churches.

Neither the Church nor I see the name of the Catholic Church as a denial of anyone else's Catholicity. It simply is the name of the institution. Anglicans and others have chosen to infer from the name that it is somehow a denial of their nature. For the Catholic Church, there are problems with Anglican history, but it's name is not a reflection of those problems. The Church's name has nothing to do with Anglicans or anyone else,

The Orthodox Churches do not have an exclusive right to "orthodoxy," nor do the Baptists have an exlusive right to Baptism. Historically, the Church could have adopted the name "Apostolic Church" or any of another of names. If it had, we would likely be arguing about those terms instead of over "Catholic."

As for my solipsism. It is the Anglicans and now others who are obsessed with changing the name of the Catholic Church. This change has not come from Rome. This change has not been made and will not be. But, again, this has nothing to do with other churches. It is not a matter of defiance or anything else. It is simply verifiable historical fact.

On another personal note. As I reflect on it, where I went wrong in letting my emotions get out of hand on WP was to associate all my personal experiences of maltreatment at the hands of Episcopalians with my frustrations over what is essentially an intellectual argument (or at least should be).

You might also know that I have been as angry with your reverts and article moves as I have been with yours.

I hope we can find a way to peace and a way to report the facts in question in a way that is fair to accuracy and satisfactory to all of us.

Vaquero100 23:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Carolynparrishfan. I should also remind you that you were the first person to make an illegal move on the Catholic spirituality article. [1] You did so without prior discussion. Vaquero100 23:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I'm sorry for not responding to your earlier request for assistance. Could you show me where the discussions between you and Vaquero over content and naming have taken place so that I can try to understand the basis of the dispuite between the two of you? Thanks. Ground Zero | t 23:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

There is obviously a lot of history here. I am trying to catch up on it before I intervene. I'll do what I can, but this is not an easy issue. There are two questions: (1) which should Wikipedia use, "Catholic" or "Roman Catholic", and (2) has Vaquero's behaviour contravened Wikiepdia policies and guidelines. Ground Zero | t 12:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I award you this barnstar for great and tireless work on Anglican articles, in particular Canadian Anglo-Catholicism. Good job sir! Anthropax 17:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Morning Prayer

Notice you've been doing a bit of editting on this recently. i started having a go at it in my user space a while back user:David Underdown/Morning Prayer, but haven't really had the time to progress it much, take a look and see what you think. David Underdown 10:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disparaging comments not helpful

It is not relevant to share the insults one church makes of another. There is no reason why, for example, I should share the names thrown at the ELCA by LCMS people on their page. It provides no light, raises blood pressures and does not lead towards understanding on anyone's part. So it does not belong in the article anymore than unsourced negative comments belong in an article on a living person.

Can you explain why the insults one group makes of another has any place in an encyclopedia? If an ELCA person were to say something similar about me, it would be considered a personal attack in Wikipedia.

Now, if you want to explain the official position of the ELCA towards Close(d) communiion practices and theology, please feel free to do so and cite it. If you even want to express the views of some ELCA folk (I personally know a fair number of ELCA members, some of whom actually agree with the LCMS at this point), please do so and cite it. But please put it in the section where the doctrine is discussed and not in a place where it could be construed as an attempt to defame the LCMS. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 02:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe such has a place at all in articles about a religious organization and I seriously question its place on wikipedia at all. It only inflames passions, encourages antagonisms and makes it very difficult to keep civil dialog going. I do not see how it adds anything at all to a casual reader's understanding of the LCMS. This is the kind of thing most people think of as vandalism.

At the very least, the same care should be taken here as in articles on living people. People die for their religions, and, while I would not expect that level of response here, you invite vitriol when you take them on. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 14:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your willingness to bend on this one. FYI, having surveyed the other articles you've cited, I don't think the comments belong there either. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 17:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

AfD is all about dialogue if you ask me. It's true that I don't think you did a particularly great job of WP:AGF in your comment, and I mentioned it. We got to the point where you were chanting connotation, so I chanted AGF. It was meant to be humorous but to also suggest that it would be best not to jump to the negative meaning if there is another option. I offer my comments as food for thought. Call that an argument if you wish, but I have no hard feelings. Erechtheus 18:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Welcoming Congregation" restructuring

Please see my comment on reorganization of the "Welcoming Congregation" topic (replying there). Thanks! --Haruo 06:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] l'Église Episcopale du Canada

A propos of your insertion of the detail that the ACC initially adopted this French form of its name and later changed it to "l'Église anglicane du Canada," do you have any documented references to the discussions that led to this change? Certainly I know from personal conversation during the '80s that francophone Canadians were extremely puzzled by the "episcopale" name and when it was explained, would exclaim, "Ah! Anglicane!" But obviously that won't do as an encyclopædia explanation for the change.Masalai 11:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ACC article

Hi CPF. The ACC article is lacking any discussion of the doctrine of the denomination: obviously, it goes without saying,

(a) the ACC generally falls into line with the more liberal constituency of the world-wide Anglican Communion (and has historically had a considerably more influential voice in its councils than the ACC’s smallish numbers might have indicated) and this is somewhat implied in the article overall and

(b) there is ample discussion in other Wikipedia articles of Anglican doctrine in a general.

But the article could profit by some discussion of the wider background of Anglican doctrine and the particular ethos of the ACC, I think. Do you agree? Care to take a stab at a first draft of such a section for the article? You always have a uniquely insightful take on such things and it would be interesting to see what you might have to propose in this regard. Masalai 09:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image deletion

Hi Carolyn. It was deleted under I3 of the speedy criteria, basically because it had no tags indicating copyright. Cheers, Fang Aili ^talk 18:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, images uploaded without tags get auto-tagged as I3, and get put in the speedy delete queue. --Fang Aili ^talk 18:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evangelical Church of the Deaf

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Evangelical Church of the Deaf, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Evangelical Church of the Deaf. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Ioannes Pragensis 20:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Or rather, in my own words, I am unsure whether it is notable or not. Please, add some links to important media, if possible. Merry Christmas!--Ioannes Pragensis 20:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism COTM

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[edit] Welcome to WikiProject LGBT studies!

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[edit] Black Narcissus

Rumer Godden specifically didn't mention any Church in the book, and neither did Powell & Pressburger in the film. The intention was not to associate them with any Church so that no Church could claim to be misrepresented. They both just referred to them as being of an Anglican order. They could have been associated with a Free Church or any other group that describes itself as Anglican but remains outside the Church of England. -- SteveCrook 23:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue V - April 3, 2007 Monthly Challenge: Article News Three articles were promoted to Featured Article status this month: Homer's Phobia (2007-03-26), Trembling Before G-d (2007-03-15) and Andrew Van De Kamp (2007-03-30). Congratulations to Gran2 and Dev920 (twice!) respectively for all their hard work! Three new articles appeared on the Main Page as Did you know? items: Classification of transsexuals (2007-03-02), Steve Stanton (2007-03-08) and Melbourne Gay and Lesbian Chorus (2007-03-23), started by Lwollert, Yksin and MusicMen, respectively. DavidShankBone deserves kudos for his current drive to provide quality LGBT photos from the NYC area. One of the more recent photos is posted on Michael Musto, and you can check out the gallery on David's user page. Project News There is now the beginning of a list of core topics to possibly be included in the Wikipedia 1.0 release. Your suggestions are welcome; there may be many core LGBT topics still missing. We have a list of people categorized as LGBT whose articles need to be checked for reliable sourcing. This effort is necessary and urgent, to comply with Wikipedia's policy on living persons. Please take a few moments to source one article; if you've got time, do another. SatyrTN identified all the articles that were in subcategories of Category:LGBT but not yet tagged with the project's banner, about 1,400 articles. These have been completed, though SatyrBot will make periodic runs through the cats to find any new entries. Thanks Satyr! The number of articles within our project's spectrum (6,667 currently) should now be relatively stable and only grow with article creation. However, if you find a category that should be included, please let SatyrTN know so it can be included in the bots runs. Work is underway to improve the LGBT Portal. Please add any good quality (free) photos you come across on LGBT articles to the gallery here. Also if anyone would like to volunteer to help in maintaining the portal, please make yourselves known on the Portal's talkpage. If you see any articles for deletion or any other deletion discussions related to LGBT topics, please remember to add them to the deletion sorting board. Thanks! Member News Our membership continues to expand. 22 new users have joined the WikiProject: Garik, Esrever, mlbedwell, Jet123, Welland R, Auriel, DaliJim, queerpeace, SUIT, Mentality, Nukleoptra, LeaHazel, lindleyle, Justin Eiler, Bylandl, Brent Calderwood, PC78, Gekedo, polymathematics, Coryarlo, Ziji, mcgarymi. Please make them feel welcome! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please drop me a line. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

SatyrBot 05:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lutheranism

The WikiProject Lutheranism Collaboration Project is under way. Please help improve this month's article, or make a suggestion for next month's article. To add the collaboration banner to your userpage or talk page, use {{Lutheran COTM}}. -- Pastordavid 19:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Till Death Us Do Part

If you examine the prayer books, you will see that, in fact, the BCP does not contain the words "Till Death Do Us Part". This is true for every version I checked. Accordingly, I have reverted your change to Book of Common Prayer; if you wish to add it back, please identify the BCP which contains those words. This is a common misquote. Tb 18:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

As an interested party I wonder if the tendency among WP editors to add extraneous information which adds nothing to the substance of an article could be curbed. I notice too many articles which have not had the benefit of a blue pencil. Roger Arguile 08:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter - SPECIAL ELECTION EDITION

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue VI - May 2, 2007 Monthly Challenge: Stand for Deputy Coordinator or support some candidates after May 5... Article News Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other is a Featured Article Candidate. Project News A taskforce dealing with LGBT publications has been proposed. If you are interested in getting involved, consider signing up at the projects' page. Our core topics list is looking good. It's still a bit slim on LGBT history articles, non-American LGBT media, and important LGBT biographies. Do you have suggestions? David Shankbone has done an amazing job taking photographs of LGBT celebrities. Thanks David! People interested in collaborating with him and setting up a photography taskforce should contact him or drop a note at the project's talkpage. The LGBT Portal still needs a bit of love and attention :-). Again, any good quality (free) photos you come across on LGBT articles can be added to the gallery here. Volunteers to help out with the Portal are extremely welcome- make yourselves known on the Portal's talkpage. Updates to the current news items are helpful. Deputy coordinator elections WikiProject LGBT studies is looking for new Deputy Coordinators to help out with various essential tasks in organising the project. To nominate yourself or contribute to the discussion, please go to: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Coordinator/May 2007. The deadline for nominations is May 5 and the elections will last a week after that. Candidates so far are: SatyrTN, Raystorm and Fireplace. The elections will be pretty simple- everyone just endorses their favourite candidate(s). The three with the most votes at the end of the week are the new deputy coordinators, who will assist Dev920 in keeping the project running. Member News Our membership continues to expand. 22 new users have joined the WikiProject (bringing our total membership to 182): Zigzig20s, Qxmagazine, TAnthony, Kbolino, Knorpel, Madman bum and angel, Ponyboy, BenjiBoi, Guy M, Pernishus, Rockdozen, RAShippy, Jaibe, Fshepinc, rglong, Boomboomeve, Undertheinfluence, Kyoko, Catsaki, OsteopathicFreak, smccoy12345, and Alexlovesme. Also Rebecca who rejoins us having previously been a member as Ambi. Please make them feel welcome! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, just ask Dev920. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let her know.

This month's project newsletter (hand delivered as SatyrTN and Dev920 are away). Best wishes, WjBscribe 03:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstars

Please stop by and give your opinion on the two proposed barnstars for WikiProject Lutheranism. Pastor David ^† _(Review) 18:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evangelical Church of the Deaf

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Evangelical Church of the Deaf, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but yours may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. 172.144.174.202 05:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue VII - June 1, 2007 Monthly Challenge: June Stub Review! Take a moment and sift through the roughly 3,600 Stub-class LGBT articles. Are they still stubs? If not, make an assessment change. Even better, do you see anything you can add/edit to increase the rating? Let's see if the project can lower the number of stubs down below 3,000! Project News WP:LGBT Exceeds 200 Members!! Two editors have been selected by project members as co-coordinators. Their duties are still a bit unclear, but having a few more janitors around the project will help keep us running smoothly. Please feel free to message Fireplace or SatyrTN if you have any project questions or concerns. Member News 20 new contributors joined the project in the last month (bringing total membership to 201): Illyria05, Brideshead, smartman89, Queerudite, JackFritscher, SeventhHaido, Evolauxia, Bandou, ChrisTW, NickGorton (back from break), Lynnllynn, KaiLeo, Meojive, Whstchy, Ceramykgoddess, Ljpmn79, snoopy753, Aralvarez, Enzedbrit, and Meininger. Please make them feel welcome  ! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, just ask Dev920. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let her know.

Delivered on 16:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 15:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue VIII - July 1, 2007 Monthly Challenge: Submit an article to our Jumpaclass competition! Languishing unloved, it is a great way to improving that article you always meant to improve but never got round to. Challenge someone else to go head to head and see who can improve their article most! Article News But I'm a Cheerleader is now GA Class! Project News Our Deputy Coordinators have been doing a fabulous job so far. Well done! The portal is now looking very snazzy, well done to Fireplace for all his hard work. The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now beed reduced by 20%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect! The Core Topics is now largely complete. The original aim of getting some kind of publication out of it is extremely long term - any short term uses we can make of it are welcome on the project talkpage. A suggestion was made this month that we start our own wiki. Although the conclusion was that we felt we were a part of Wikipedia rather than a stand alone organisation, it seems there is an LGBT wiki already, at http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Main_page . Members may be interested in getting involved there. The Collaboration is now getting rather short on suggestions. Article nominations for August through December would be welcome on the talkpage. There is now a list of Missing LGBT Topics. Help is needed to work out which topics can be made redirects or need to be created. Please contribute is you can. An LGBT banner that was created for Wikipedia's internal ads system has now been adapted so it can be placed on blogs and websites. The html is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:LGBT"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Qxz-ad48.gif" height="53" width="445"></a> Please credit Miranda and link to her userpage: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miranda">Miranda</a>. The banner can be seen in action here. If you have a blog or a website, please consider adding the banner, either in a post or as part of your profile. Member News 11 new contributors joined the project in the last month: Xnuala, Samantha Pignez, Jreferee, BGMurph, jmsast, Kukini, Theinsidellama, Heyfoureyes, Iceflow, NickGorton, Lynnllynn, KaiLeo, Amadscientist, and Mad_Cheese_Eater. Please make them feel welcome  ! However, this is a bit low for a project of our standing, so please consider doing a little recruiting if you can. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Re: Toronto Meetup

TORONTO MEETUP NOTICE
	Hello Carolynparrishfan, I saw you name on the Wikiproject Toronto page and I would like to inform you about a Wiki Meetup that is being organized. If you are interested, feel free to add your input on the Toronto Meetup talk page. Regards, Nat Tang ta | co | em

[edit] Welcome to WikiProject Catholicism!

Hello, Carolynparrishfan, and welcome to Wikiproject Catholicism! Thank you for your generous offer to help
contribute. I'm sure your input will be much appreciated. I hope you enjoy contributing here and being a Catholic Project Wikipedian! If you have any questions, feel free to discuss anything on the project talk page, or to leave a message on my own talk page. Please remember to sign all your comments, and be bold with your edits. Again, welcome, and happy editing! --Thw1309 11:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue IX - September 1, 2007 Message from Coordinator: It's been almost two months since the last newsletter came out, so there are a fair few people who haven't really been kept up with our project. I'd like to welcome all those who have joined and those who have returned, and strongly reccommend that you use the talkpage for any queries or problems you have. Happy editing! Article News The ongoing effort to create a comprehensive list of LGB people has begun to bear fruit - /A AND the /W-Z lists have been featured! Congratulations to Dev920 and SatyrTN who nominated them respectively. Please consider pitching in the the remaining lists to help us get them finished before the end of the year. Project News WP:LGBT now has an IRC channel! It is #LGBTProject on Freenode. Users without IRC or Xchat can use the java app at java.freenode.net to access the channel from their web browser. Hope to see you in there sometime! David Shankbone has taken a LOT of photos. An idea has been mooted to create a page for listing people who are willing to take images in their area on request, please give your thoughts here. Considerable discussion has recently been held on our coverage of same sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships. You may be interested to read it. The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now been reduced by over 30%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect! A gay cabal conspiracy ghost has been created to do with what you will. :) Wooh, massive gay conspiracy... Member News Since the last newsletter was released, we have had more members been labelled inactive than who have signed up - please consider recruiting a few more people if you can, a WikiProject is only as good as its members. :) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Anglican collaboration of the month

The current Anglicanism Collaboration of the Month is Essays and Reviews The next collaboration will be selected on 30 April 2008. (Vote here)

Wassupwestcoast 02:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue X - October 1, 2007 The LGBT studies project has been rather quiet of late. Though we've added over 180 new members in the last year, only a small percentage are active participants. If you haven't visited our project or talk page in a while, please stop by for a look. Also, if you happen to bump into another editor who you feel might enjoy working with us, please extend an invitation. There's lot's do do, and the active members would sincerely appreciate some help. Welcome to the 11 new members that joined us in September: Bu852, JuniorMuruin, Laualoha, JereKrischel, Dybryd, Sexperts, Ctjf83, Allstarecho, Johnandbob, Carlossuarez46, and Carterdriggs! LGBT Project Peer review Our Peer review project is struggling at the present, with only a few people reviewing the articles. While it is certainly possible to submit articles for a general peer review, a review by members of the LGBT community can be of additional value for LGBT specific writing. There are several articles currently up for review on a wide range of topics. At the very least, reading the articles will undoubtedly broaden your intellectual horizons :-) Deletion discussions At the moment, David Le Brocq, Malmö Devilants and Trajectory Hermeneutics are up for deletion review. Please take a look at them and make your voice heard at the deletion review. Articles nominated for deletion also present a challenge for improvement. See what you can do, and watchlist our deletion review page. FA & GA article news Since our last newsletter, Fun Home and GayFest have been promoted to Good Article status. Congratulations to all editors who have worked so hard to improve them! While the T-Z list was promoted to Featured list on September 26, 2007, we have had no articles reach Featured Article status since Homer's Phobia was promoted last March. In fact, one article of our Project was delisted: Andrew Van De Kamp. Please take a look at out listed articles and see if you'd like to try to take one to Featured status (there are almost 8,000 to choose from). Additionally, Conversion therapy has been nominated for Featured status. Please read the article and give feedback at the Feartured Article Candidates page. (See also our FA-class list.) Pederasty article controversy The Pederasty articles continue to be a point of controversy both within and outside of our community. Various editors have suggested that to include them as LGBT Project related somehow taints the project and brings Wikipedia into disrepute. Other editors have stated that the articles, and especially the Pederasty article, are part of the core of LGBT studies. Well meaning editors continue to remove our tags from the articles themselves as well as the talk pages. If you have time, please read the articles and watchlist them to protect them from vandalism and well meaning but counterproductive edits. List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people The list of LGBT people has survived its 4th nomination for deletion. Please watchlist this list to protect it from vandalism and unsourced additions. There are many in Wikipedia who would like to see this Featured status list removed from the project. It is up to us to keep it to such a high caliber that it never is removed. David Shankbone Our project member David Shankbone is now working as a journalist for Wikinews, as well as continuing to improve our project and Wikipedia as a whole with his photographs. A sincere thank you goes out to him for all of his hard work. Wikipedia would not shine nearly as brightly without your contributions, David. Barbara Gittings Happy Halloween, everybody! Be happy and celebrate! The surviving life partner of prominent LGBT rights activist Barbara Gittings recently called one of our editors and, among other things, complimented us on what a great job our project is doing on Wikipedia. Thanks to everyone who contributes to this project, either through their article edits or support for other project members. We really are making an difference here! Member assistance Some of our project members have been having difficulties related to editing on the encyclopedia. If you are feeling frustrated or distressed by your editing experience, please don't keep it to yourself. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and we are all here to help one another. Drop a line on our talkpage or on another editor's page, and other members of the LGBT project will happily give you the support you want and need. Lastly, Halloween is just around the corner. More than most holidays, Halloween is a holiday embraced by and tailor made to our community (though God only knows why we are invisible in the Halloween article here. Perhaps somebody would like to rectify that editing oversight). Have fun, everybody, and remember to both trick and treat! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Wikimania 2009

Toronto Candidate City for Wikimania 2009
Support TORONTO in its bid to become the host city of WIKIMANIA 2009 Visit m:Wikimania 2009/Toronto for TORONTO's MetaWiki page and help build a strong bid.

-- Zanimum 15:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lutheran Calendar

The "point" was to explain why the LBW (and, consequently, ELW) do not commemorate Old Testament persons on a single day of the year. The context of the discussion was in the United States between the LCMS and the ELCA predecessor churches, with specific references to the proposed '79 BCP. That I am aware of, no notice was taken of the practice of the Anglican Church of Canada. The relationship of the ELCIC is important specifically because they use/d the LBW and ELW. In addition, reference to the Anglican Church of Australia, which is situated in a country that has a very miniscule Lutheran population, makes no impact whatsoever.

That being said, the reason I deleted your reference to the ACC and the ACA is because their specific practices did not make a recognizable impact on the calendar of North American Lutheranism. I referred to your deleting the comment about TEC as vandalism because you did so with, from what I took in your rationale, hostility and frustration that you had been told your addition was irrelevant. To summarize, to describe the practices of church which have made no impact on the subject is pointless and to delete relevant information about the practices of a church that did make an impact on the subject is frivolous and seems to me to be an example of Blanking, which is Vandalism as per Wikipedia policy, thus I am not throwing the term around lightly, even if you may resent having it used in reference to you. In the future, if you are unsure as to why someone has undone an edit you have made, it may be helpful to ask them for their rationale rather than simply eliminating similar portions of an article. -- jackturner3 16:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How else shall I explain it? The situation in the Anglican Church of Australia is entirely irrelevant because it has in no way influenced the creation of the LBW or the ELW. Certainly you can admit that. While it is true that the Anglican Church of Canada has a close relationship with the ELCIC, the creation of the LBW was, by and large an initiative of Lutherans in the United States, in so far as I'm aware. The model directly looked at was that of The Episcopal Church and the Roman Catholic Church, and this is borne out by statements in the official records of the ILCW and the Commentary on the Lutheran Book of Worship. As far as I can tell, the LBW made little if any reference to the BCP used by the ACC since it was not currently under revision like the US BCP was. That is why parallel development of the US BCP is relevant but the current practice of the Anglican Church of Canada is not.

However, to more explicitly bring out the point, I have altered the paragraph to highlight the interrelationship between the liturgical revisions in TEC and the ILCW.

I also don't consider it to be "assuming good faith" by insinuating that I have not done so.

jackturner3 20:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

But there’s the thing: while the Canadian BCP is, in its current redaction, essentially the US BCP, at the time of the development of the LBW (1978), the BCP used in the Anglican Church of Canada (1962 revision) was most closely related to the attempted 1928 revision of the English BCP. That being said, it bore little influence on the work of the ILCW. That’s why its calendar is irrelevant to the development of a calendar in North America. To analogize the situation, it would be pointless to discuss the opinion of John Wilkes Booth’s brother on Lincoln’s policies concerning Reconstruction. Booth and his brother are closely related, as the various BCP are, but that does not, in and of itself, indicate either relevance or appropriate contextualization.

For my part, I’m not certain how I should have reacted to your edit summary. While this is a text based medium, it is true, things such as voice and tone do come across. “Fine then, we'll mention none of the Anglican churches” sounds a lot like someone who’s saying, in essence, “it’s my ball and I’m going home.” Frankly, had you asked me why I considered mentioning the ACC and the ACA practices in regards to the commemoration of Old Testament persons to not be appropriate, I would have gladly explained my rationale. By not doing that, but rather by deleting text in what I assume was frustration with my opinion, you don’t show yourself to be assuming good faith. For me to detect hostility is not grossly unfair, it simply is my reaction, fair or otherwise. But if gross unfairness is the concern, how much more grossly unfair is it of you to not only insinuate bad faith on my part, but then to proceed to lecture me on the subject and substance of my reactions? I would advise you to consider your own conduct in this matter and to carefully evaluate whether or not your actions are as grossly unfair as you accuse mine of being.

In my case, I apologize for hurt feelings that I have clearly caused you and in advance extend my pardon the wrongs I percieve you to have committed against me.

jackturner3 22:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not shuttering aside the "Canadian perspective" since there is neither a US or Canadian perspective to this article. The whole issue is over the inclusion of a single date to commemorate Old Testament persons on the Lutheran Liturgical Calendar in North America and what effect, if any, other efforts at liturgical revision in North America. Only TEC was concurrently undergoing liturgical revision and asking the same question when the ILCW was doing its work; the Anglican Church of Canada was not engaged in such work or questions to the best of my knowledge at the time. That is why the rejection of a commemoration of all Old Testament saints in TEC is appropriate to the article but mention of the current practice of the Anglican Churches of Canada and Australia are not. To insist that material in an article be directly related to the subject is not systemic anti-Canadian bias, it's just basic practice of good writing. Perhaps you are so concerned with anti-Canadian bias you're willing to see it anywhere, even where it isn't present, and are willing to rectify perceived bias by inserting notes on Canada wherever you can, even when they aren't especially relevant to the article at hand.

If you can demonstrate why the current practice of the ACC is relevant, despite the fact that it had not effect on the development of the North American calendar, then I would be willing to assent to let the inclusion of the current practice of the ACC being inserted into the calendar. Since you haven't provided any real, substantive justification, I see no reason why this is an example of shuttering the Canadian perspective in any way.

Furthermore, accusations on your part that I'm contributing to the shuttering of Canadian perspective is yet another example of bad faith on your part. This goes far beyond the "melodrama" of the article itself and moves into the realm of personal attack. I don't appreciate that. I attempted to make peace with you because I felt that was my responsibility. It's too bad that not only are you unwilling to accept that, but you go forward with smearing me in negative motivations. I truly do not appreciate that.

jackturner3 14:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!! [edit] Alice and her harasser Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>. [edit] Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project. [edit] Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand? [edit] Beat writer arouses Irish guy And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all. [edit] Love those Texas Longhorns Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....). [edit] Point and Counterpoint Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now. [edit] Drudgery on offer Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" redux The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational. [edit] This month's Wiki stars Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!! [edit] And the Oscar goes to... Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy. [edit] Leather and lace On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome! [edit] Late breaking news A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!). [edit] Champagne dreams and caviar kisses Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon. Kisses, Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

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[edit] Collaboration

This is a reminder to go vote for the Catholic Collaboration Effort. Support or comment on the current nominations, or nominate an article for collaboration. Current nominations:

freenaulij 03:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Vote for ours while you are at it: Wikipedia:WikiProject Anglicanism/COTM -- SECisek 04:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of gays and lesbians

Hello Ms Fan. As a firm supporter of the increasing inclination of the ACC to be properly inclusive of gays and lesbians (as of other minority groups whose interests the Gospels according to many Anglican views champion) I wonder if the ACC article doesn't now begin to be somewhat disproportionately focused on this issue. As you would doubtless be aware, certain elements in the Anglican Communion increasingly seek to characterise both the ACC and more particularly the ECUSA as the gay churches of the Communion, and surely the emphasis of the ACC is on inclusiveness of gays and lesbians simply being a part of the mandate to be doers of the word and not hearers only, as the Epistle of James has it, and to love God and love our neighbours as ourselves as Christ's summary of the law has it. Would there be any special objection to the section on inclusion of gays and lesbians being edited down in volume of words (or perhaps part of it hived off into a separate article as to inclusion of gays and lesbians in the ACC) so as to make it clearer that this is not a special issue of the ACC but only a part of its broader concern with love and tolerance for all?

On a quite separate track, I feel that the ACC article has become rather top-heavy with discussion of the early history of the church in Canada: the photos and discussion of early, pre-settlement church presence in what is now Canada are certainly very decorative but I question whether they have as much to do with the ACC as their prominence in the article suggests. I, however, would not peremptorily make cuts to the article along the lines I have suggested without there being a consensus among Wikipedia editors who have taken an interest in the article. Possibly this discussion could be hived off into a sub-article: oh...I see that it is borrowed from an already-existing article....

What do you say about these observations, Ms Fan? Masalai (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Good day, I would like to point out (kindly remember) that wikipedia is not a soap box. Even know you support same sex blessings please remember the purpose of the wiki project. This means that all edits must not show any bias. I am sure you will understand. Blessings —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thright (talk • contribs) 19:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus, right down Santa Claus lane! Ho, ho ho (but not that kind of ho!) and Merry Christmas, everybody! Yes, that's right. It's time for the Christmas edition of the LGBT Love Boat newsletter. This homo Love Boat is cruising into Christmas and counting down the days to a brand new year! It doesn't matter if you're Christian or belong to some other, more obscure sect. Jesus loves you one and all, so let's curl up around the fire, sing some carols, drink some egg nog, and have a gay old time. But before we do, perhaps your chipper cruise director Miss Julie should spread the gender bendin' news from everyone's favorite project.... Table of Contents Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! It's Britney, Bitch! Game show for nerds Jón Þór Birgisson Everybody loves a sequel Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Santa needs elves Urgent Christmas appeal Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Ambrosia Christmas came early You! Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken! It's Britney, Bitch! Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Game show for nerds Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do. Jón Þór Birgisson I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me". TranSanta Everybody loves a sequel Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win?? Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!" Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts. Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!). Santa's on his gay way! Santa needs elves Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future. Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line. Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East. Ambrosia Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia! Christmas came early Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct! You! Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa! Delirious Dong Zhi! Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life! May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008. With love from Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 20:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Christ Church Deer Park

A tag has been placed on Christ Church Deer Park requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. KnightLago (talk) 01:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dianne Haskett

I apologize, I didn't realize that this tag ({{subst:uw-unsor1}}) didn't go on your talk page, however I have reverted my edit. I misread what you added. Jauerback (talk) 01:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homosexuality and Anglicanism & British punctuation

The article is presently inconsistent, i.e., there are many St.s and many Sts. Someone must decide. A simple revert of one of these and comment is not very polite, but shall forgive in advance. -- So shall we leave it to you to change 'em all? Kindly, Fremte (talk) 04:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell. Two New Featured Articles (and...) Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight. Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now? Ludwig Wittgenstein seems to have been dropped from the vaunted roles - he was downgraded to "B class" on 29 December 2007. What a way to end the year! Let's see - we started December with 35 FAs. We added two and dropped one. So somewhere there's a missing FA - has anyone seen one lying around? Jumpaclass Contest winner The winner of 2007's Jumpaclass competition is Fluffball70 (talk · contribs)! Congratulations, Fluffball! Despite strongly being urged to select Love Boat as the next WikiProject Collaboration, she has chosen LGBT Symbols as her prize: please contribute to its improvement - or enter the competition for this year! Ze Portal The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work. Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action! The long, slow race toward FP status continues... Bisexual Awareness Month Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open. A cunning plan In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk · contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies... New members Let's give a big Love Boat welcome to all our new members: Mike1981, RAShippy, CoppBob, Altairisfar, Dureo, LessThanClippers William P. Coleman, Grrrlriot, Queer Scout, Kentucky1333, Melty girl, Phenominus, Avazina, Dfeuer, and Lycanthropiclion. We're glad to have you all aboard! New task-force? Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grace Church on the Hill

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[edit] Warden Woods Mennonite Church

Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Warden Woods Mennonite Church, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 23:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OGS

Thanks for adding the page on OGS! I reviewed their own page, and I couldn't see any indication that they are "secular"; they live "in the world" in a dispersed way, but so do many of the other communities listed (OP, BSG, for example). They take vows, have a rule, etc., in a way which looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, AFAICT. Now it seems to me we also need a page on the Sisters of the Good Shepherd! Tb (talk) 13:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I think that the practice has been not to draw these distinctions on the Anglican religious order page for a couple reasons, one of the biggest being that the canonical distinctions are different in every country, and nonexistent in most. So the list has had the practice of being broad rather than narrow. The OGS do indeed take vows, though not monastic vows, as I understand it.

Likewise, if you look at Roman Catholic religious order you'll see that the list includes the Maryknoll (technically a society of apostolic life) and the Oratorians.

I think this is the best way to approach the question, since to most folks the canonical distinctions are not all that crucial. Tb (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree completely that the distinction is well-mentioned on the individual articles. My only nervousness in the case of OGS is that the word "secular" isn't used in their own literature. But you clearly understand the ins and outs of their history better--including that they themselves aren't agreed about what they are! So perhaps the ideal thing would be a section in the OGS article explaning the question and (ideally) giving references? Tb (talk) 23:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XIV - February 29, 2008 Article Milestones The leprechaun is a male faerie in Irish mythology. We have one new Featured Article this month - Emily Dickinson was recently promoted thanks to the hard work of Yllosubmarine! We also have 4 new GA-class articles: Ben Daniels, J. Michael Bailey, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and Walt Whitman were promoted this month, but Dante's Cove was demoted. Wikinews Things are happening over at Wikipedia sister project Wikinews. First, Nicholas Turnbull became the first openly-Trans reporter to gain (resounding) accreditation by the Wikinews community. Second, project member David Shankbone is going to Rio de Janeiro at the invitation of the Rio Convention & Visitor's Bureau. Wikinews:Portal:LGBT Lambda Book Report Project member Moni3 has been working on the article for Barbara Gittings and noted that the Lambda Literary Foundation used the lead paragraph from Wikipedia, skillfully and lovingly written by Moni3, verbatim in the Lambda Literary Pioneers calendar. Moni3 contacted the Lambda Literary Foundation to let them know, and to ask if we could get a little write-up in the next Lambda Book Report. There is a preliminary text you can find here. Feel free to add to it. It should be no longer than 1,000 words, and it needs to be submitted by March 15. New members Let's give a big LGBT welcome to all our new members: Dylankidwell (talk · contribs), Jay*Jay (talk · contribs), Ftmichael (talk · contribs), AgnosticPreachersKid (talk · contribs), Phyesalis (talk · contribs) , Tullerk (talk · contribs), Ravenwhitehorse (talk · contribs), TigressofIndia (talk · contribs), Yohan euan o4 (talk · contribs), Masculinity (talk · contribs), Renegade Replicant (talk · contribs), and Youngwebprogrammer (talk · contribs)! User categories Place yourself in a user category so you can collaborate with other LGBT/Allied Wikipedians! Mostly for allies of LGBT people; To place yourself in Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues, just add [[Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add this userbox by placing {{User:UBX/LGBTinterest}} on your userpage. Mostly for people who identify as either Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender; To place yourself in Category:LGBT Wikipedians, just add [[Category:LGBT Wikipedians|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add a userbox found at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality#Sexual orientation. St. Patrick's Day In honor of Saint Patrick's Day, why don't you consider improving one of these articles: Homosexuality and Roman Catholicism, LGBT rights in the Republic of Ireland, Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform, Recognition of gay unions in Ireland, List of gay and lesbian resource centres in Ireland, or any of the articles in our to-do list? Women's History Month March is Women's History Month in the United States. Help us celebrate by improving History of lesbianism or Lesbian American history! You could also find references for women in our giant list of LGB people to be sorted. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let us know.

Delivered by SatyrBot around 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) SatyrBot (talk) 17:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ELCIC and the word narrowly

Good day, please do not add the word narrowly to the ELCIC page. It does not fit with wiki policy as it is subjective and not factual. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thright (talk • contribs) 18:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for you comments. I believe that we must becareful not to exclude the other synods for the ELCIC page. Currently there is a divide among synods and the ELCIC page seems to favour the Eastern Synod. I believe the edits (which are not mine) that have included the vote count better fits within the context. Take care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thright (talk • contribs) 21:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please act respectful

Can you please refrain from using the language that you used on my talk page. I do not like it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 555623a (talk • contribs) 22:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

stop vandalising my user page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 555623a (talk • contribs) 22:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blessing of same-sex unions in Christian churches

Your recent edits are much better!Thright (talk) 19:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Anglo-Catholic Churches

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[edit] AfD nomination of List of Anglo-Catholic Churches

An article that you have been involved in editing, List of Anglo-Catholic Churches, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Anglo-Catholic Churches. Thank you. Springnuts (talk) 06:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dean of All Saints', Edmonton

You may want to check the article Dean under Anglican Communion. In Anglicanism the Dean is the chief cleric of the Cathedral, and may not be the Rector of the Parish associated with the Cathedral. The terms Dean of X, Dean of X Cathedral or Dean of Cathedral Name can all be used where X is the See City. The use of Dean of X is mostly used in the Church of England, while Dean of Cathedral Name is used outside the Church of England. I have no doubt that in the case of St. James' Cathedral in Toronto that the Dean is called Dean of Toronto, but In the case of All Saint's Cathedral the Dean is referred to as Dean of All Saint's Cathedral, and not Dean of Edmonton.

Sapperbdl (talk) 01:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ummm??? --Sapperbdl (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. All Saints' is my Parish Church. --Sapperbdl (talk) 20:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I finally found a reference on the ACC's website. [2] shows that the practice within the ACC is that the Dean is Dean of Cathedral, not Dean of the Diocese. However, it can be correct as I stated earlier to refer to a Dean as Dean of See City instead of Dean of Cathedral. I am updating the article. --Sapperbdl (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

In this particular case I could agree to do so since Jane was both the Dean of the Cathedral and Rector of the Parish as well. In the case of some Cathedrals the Dean is not Rector of the Parish which resides at the Cathedral, however, with all Saints' this position has been combined since the position of Dean was created in 1956 when All Saints' went from being a Pro-Cathedral to a Cathedral. --Sapperbdl (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Christianity

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

- Tinucherian (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Corpus Christi (feast)

Re our disscussion at Talk:Corpus Christi (feast).
Thanks for your efforts to clarify this for me, but I'm afraid I'm still not following you.

• You wrote: "Maundy Thursday (as we've established) isn't an appropriate time for such festivities" -- I don't have any problem with that (I don't make these rules :-) ), but I'm not sure what festivities, or why Maundy Thursday wouldn't be an appropriate time for them.
  

I currently have a vague understanding (based on User:Carl.bunderson's edit to the article) that the purpose of the feast of Corpus Christi is "to honor the Eucharist". That's all I was trying to find out.
Thanks again. I'm not trying to be troublesome, I'm just dense I guess. Have a good one! -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Per your latest post to my Talk: Fair enough -- I guess I could have phrased my original question more clearly.

You wrote "you backtracked". Well, I'd prefer to characterize this as "I attempted to clarify."

Anyway, my question was addressed in the article, which was what I was hoping for. Carl and I talked about this and seem to be okay now.

Thanks to you both for your help and discussion on this. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 21:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AofC

He is the dicoesan, yes he chooses to delegate to the Bishop at Canterbury, but taht delegation could be withdrawn. It's too much info for the lead, and the delegation is already mentioned in the article. David Underdown (talk) 15:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Those two words to me seem slightly misleading - what's not clear from the sources I've been able to find is the extent to which actual Ordinary authority is delegated to the Bishop at Canterbury, does he have actual authority over the other suffragans, or would the Archbishop still potentially have to be involved in matters of discipline? Putting de jure in seems to weaken the Archbishop's position to me. We probably ought to be discussing this at the article talkpage, rather than our respective talkpages, as there's a bit more chance of wider discussion there. David Underdown (talk) 16:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)