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[edit] Saint Foutin

Updated DYK query On 25 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Saint Foutin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 11:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Technomancer Press

I'm not here to protest a deletion, but I do have a few questions / comments. I am familiar with the company, and I'm not a part of the company (I have interacted with them in and out of a convention or two). I personally think that they are notable. The real problem with the article (according to the AFD) was that it was a company advertisement? I think I could rewrite the article with a more objective perspective. Would I have your support on that? Would it be possible for me to have access to the original deleted article (history) in order to facilitate the creation of a new article? McKay (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Air Station

I just saw your !vote in the CFD for Category:United States Navy air stations. You might want to take a look at Talk:Naval Air Station, where there's a vigorous debate underway over the proposed renaming of the article to Naval air station. Cgingold (talk) 21:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Burma

Before you create any more stubs please see Abaw and copy the infobox and add the coordinates -this will give it a locator map ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tamara Davies

Please look through the history of the page, and then at this noticeboard discussion. As far as I can see, we have a minor, but IMHO likely notable actress here, who's page has been BLP hatchet-stubbed. (And likely properly so.) The fact that it was chopped down to a stub does not make her less notable. The page needs major work, likely rebuilding from scratch, but I don't think it should be deleted. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wrestling video game AfD

I just wanted to let you know that the page you placed for AfD is a duplicate of WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009, which is a decent article. Is it possible just to change the page you nominated for AfD into a redirect? GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SPAM

Hello. I dont recollect tagging any recent article as spam. Could you tell me which article you are referring to? THanks. Prashanthns (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 !! I checked that article, but dont see any tag left by me in the last 50 edits! Could this be a mistake? Prashanthns (talk) 17:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for rving that. I see it now. It was on the redirect page of backslash. Most obviously my mistake! This must definitely be by oversight!Was rc patrolling and must've hit the wrong link on Twinkle. Thanks again. Prashanthns (talk) 17:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Groove (machining)

This article is NEEDED because of all the articles linked to it A.N.D and because Tongue and groove is totally, utterly, wholy and entirerely irrelevent to those articles. So leave it so that a machinist can do his thing. Peter Horn 03:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] California community articles

Just wanted to let you know: many or all California counties have their own geography stubs, such as {{YoloCountyCA-geo-stub}}. Nyttend (talk) 23:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trigger Happy

Woah there poncho, lets think before we pull the trigger. Hex ten (talk) 13:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It seemed I missed all of it, Regards Hex ten (talk) 21:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why was my article detele

My name is Fernada, I am a historian in spanish history and had read many book. I wrote an article about Rodolfo Arismendy D' la Parra de Urzaiz y Azlor de Aragon Borbon-Parma, why was deleted, if there something I need to know thank

Fernanda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.68.11.4 (talk) 15:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

What article was deleted? There was never an article Rodolfo Arismendy D' la Parra de Urzaiz y Azlor de Aragon Borbon-Parma. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Sisters

I would like to know why you deleted the article 'Seven Sisters' which was about the major law firms in Canada. This is a widely used term in the canadian legal field. You deleted it on October 2007. Jurisprudent (talk) 23:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Romanian communes

There points: a) I fully agree the commune articles need the additional information in them. However, my present objective is mere creation of stubs, pitiful though they may be, and whether I add more now or in three weeks' time I don't think will make a great difference. That is, I hope you don't mind my creating those stubs, given my intent to expand them. It's just that I'm after quantity rather than quality for the moment. b) The GEONet links come up as gibberish on my computer; do they work on yours? c) If I may, I'd advise you not to link to or create articles on Romanian villages (as opposed to communes). The reasons are alluded to here and here, but the basic idea is that a) as they have no official status and generally number only a few hundred residents, villages tend not to be notable; b) potential for commune stubs to develop into full-fledged articles is slim, for villages even less; c) what there is to be said about a 5-village commune can easily be said in a single article (again, generally speaking); and d) in cases (and this is the norm) where commune A has villages A,B,C,D and E, confusion is bound to arise between commune A and village A, disambiguating becomes even harder, etc. So please let's try to stick to communes only. Biruitorul (talk) 02:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I promise I will be adding more information to the commune stubs, but that's not my main concern; it's the village article creation that still worries me. I asked User:Dahn to weigh in, and he did; I invite you to see his post on my talk page, most of which is addressed to you. The only thing I'll add is that ro.wiki has some rather serious credibility problems and that they are not exactly a model to be emulated in every respect. Anyway, after reading Dahn's comment, please let me/us know if you're still interested in creating those 13,000 or so micro-stubs on villages. Biruitorul (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Dahn wrote a reply to you on my talk page; it may interest you. I don't mean to sound harsh, but it would be helpful if you could drop the "every village is notable" mantra for a moment and actually grapple with the arguments we're bringing forward. (Or "any little dot on a map" - by the way, have you found any maps that show Romanian villages?) The real question is: will it kill us if we don't have 13,000 micro-stubs but instead fold (ie, merge) that information into 2600 slightly longer stubs (maybe even articles) with proper redirects and everything? All we're asking is that "X is a village in Y commune, Z county, Romania" be a line in the article on Y rather than a separate article. Is that too much to ask? Biruitorul (talk) 17:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paramax

Could I ask you to take another look at this AfD? I've moved the article to the appropriate title, expanded it and added a reference, which takes care of a couple of your original concerns. The combination is used differently from either drug independently and there is also a suggested effect on paracetamol's absorption by metoclopramide, which suggests an article on this topic would be useful. There is a lot more that could be added, but I'm no expert in this therapeutic area. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perioperative Nursing

I know there was no content in Perioperative nursing, i'm working on referenced info to put up. If I put up basic headings and some summary information, is that acceptable to keep it up while i work on material for it...?

Charles evesson (talk) 05:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for that! Didn't know you could do that on a user page!

Charles evesson (talk) 01:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] James Madison Middle School (Seattle, Washington)

I'm pretty sure schools don't qualify for A7. --Closedmouth (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I really have no opinion, I just didn't think it was allowed. People seem to get so pissy when you even suggest deleting a school article, I would never have thought you could A7 one. Not that I care either way. --Closedmouth (talk) 17:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Hehe, we'll blame it on my lack of knowledge of the US school system and leave it at that eh :P --Closedmouth (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bloody Sunday (1969)

I don't know if you noticed yet, but Bloody Sunday (1969) has seen a major WP:HEY job, and seems headed for a snowball keep. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 17:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:John McCain/FAQ

You deleted this page Talk:John McCain/FAQ, but it should be undeleted. FAQ pages are okay. The mainspace page of the same name was accidentally created by Ferrylodge (and can remain deleted), but the FAQ page should be restored. Mahalo. --Ali'i 17:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I think FAQ pages may be an exception. See Talk:Evolution/FAQ for example. Mahalo. --Ali'i 18:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] National Council on Crime and Delinquency

Please let me know why the page "National Council on Crime and Delinquency" was deleted. The article only contained information, facts and history of the organization and did not contain any copyright infringement. I would like to redo the page so that it complies, but do not understand why it was deleted. Thank you.

Nccd (talk) 22:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penryn college

I have improved and referenced the article, perhaps you could take another look. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 18:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Social interaction teaching methods

Is Social interaction teaching methods article worthy? I'm not sure. -WarthogDemon 17:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I had my suspicions of that. Done. -WarthogDemon 17:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like this could be a professor or a college student. -WarthogDemon 17:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Benzamil

Rifleman 82 (talk · contribs) has added an infobox to Benzamil. I think the article is better now. --Eastmain (talk) 18:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aqaba

Hi there. There is a discussion at Talk:Aqaba pertaining to the need for a disambig page there. You replaced the disambig with the main article without contributing to that discussion. I was wondering if you could consider reinstating the change that was made, or explaining why your solution is preferable. Two admins help was necessary to effect the change in the first place and I don't know how to restore it without making a bigger mess. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 10:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll address you comment at the talk there. Cheers. Tiamuttalk 20:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 02:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bazargan, Afghanistan

Though the article is brief, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for creating Bazargan, Afghanistan. You probably didn't know it, but the article was on Wikipedia:Requested articles/Afghanistan. I am now removing it from that list. Cheers! Kingturtle (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Hawaii State Symbols

It was marked as underconstruction. Oh well. I will remake it soon but take the time to add content. Sorry for any trouble.    Juthani1   tcs 21:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Threats

Threatening to have a user banned because he disagrees with you is a violation of policy. Please respect this.

Cbsite (talk) 02:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Threats - Part 2

When or where did I threaten you? Which word was the threat: violation? respect? please?

And what I do with my talk page is my business - you stay off of it. Cbsite (talk) 13:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Burma

Could you PLEASE note that places in Burma i.e towns and villages are NOT categorized as Category:Settlements in Burma. They are classified by state e.g Category:Cities, towns and villages in Kachin State. Plase note this in future as I'm having to sort out your stubs ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

How many times have I said that articles are not categorized in Settlements? Category:Cities, towns and villages in Togo is where it should be ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Not intentional. But I have spoken to you many times about categorizing or adding an infobox and given that you didn't respond I took for granted you were ignoring me. WHhen somebody doesn't respond to my good intentions (given that I am trying very hard to ensure consistency with categories and goe article layout across wikipedia) I immediately assume they disagree with me, Otherwise keep up the good disamb work ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No what you are doing is fine. But I believe an infobox with a pushpin map and coordinates is helpful and easy to do given that you have added the wiki mini atlas coordinates anyway. E.g I believe that an article like Simaw is better for having the infobox and map than without. Best of intentions. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Matelot, Trinidad

A tag has been placed on Matelot, Trinidad requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Cheeseman Muncher (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity/national origin category pages

Carlossuarez, I thought I better reply to your comments from WP:Cats for discussion on this here as when I add the rest of the pages I m nominating I may be preventing you from adding comments, although I m quite sure I ve said everything I think on the matter already. You might be surprised to hear that, despite human migration being a pet interest of mine, I would not be that against getting rid of these cat pages altogether but know, from my involvement with them over a few years, that it is impossible, that there is that much of a "demand" for them. therefore, I d like to see them as tidy as possible, with uniform naming. it seems clear from what I ve read of your comments you ll settle for nothing short of ridding wikip of them. but how can they be permanently barred beyond constant policing of them, which personally I m not interested in being involved in. Mayumashu (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

our views are miles apart, in the end. in no way do I see indicating ethnicity as racism in disguise. racism is acting upon racial differences in ways that hurt, not stating mere facts about ethnicity (stating one's nationality does not make one nationalistic either, nor are nuclear scientists to blame for the use of nuclear weapons) trying to define one ethnicity from another is not at all a concern of ours, as wikip contributors - its the work of sociologists and other experts and ours is to report their published findings. the same goes for the concern you raise on how far back we are to go with these (should we have them), that we all have African roots, that many Mexicans have Native American roots, as well as Spanish ones which in turn may have Arab ones, Roman ones, etc. - for whichever links are made, of a person's article page to a cat page for a particular descent, or a cat page to a supercat page, say Category:Native Americans as a subcat of Category:People of Asian descent, there needs to be a source (or two). Provision of sources, like everything, control how far back one can go with indicating ethn./nat. origin. Mayumashu (talk) 02:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
No, not a lack a sources for out of Africa. I m talking about the other links, that an American of Mexican descent would typically only be linked to the one category page, and would rarely be linked to the page for being of Spanish descent and almost never to Arab or Roman descent pages because there would be no source available to substantiate these claims (as true as they may or may not be). And no we wouldn t add African descent links to all biographies - we should link Category:People of Asian descent and Category:People of European descent, and the cat page that collects all native people of the Americas and their descendents, which in theory would collect all people of recent non-African descent to Category:People of African descent with a note and cited source links/publication details.
Classifying by ethnicity/national origin has little to actually do with classifying by race, as racial makeup is far less of a factor in the determination of nearly all ethnic groups (a noteble expect being African-American) than does shared cultural experience, as seen in linguistic and to a lesser extent religious aspects to culture. Even when it does involve classifying by race, its as far from racisim as your and my views on this matter, as it unfortunately still very much appears that they are Mayumashu (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
none - those of, in particular, partial ethnicity share virtually no shared experience due to their ethnic link. stating one's ethnicity is not stating that one (necessarily) shares or has shared particular experiences. taking up the argument then the pages provide largely trivial info - I agree that they do. the question is how trivial, and the only way this is determined here is by the discussing we do on WP:Dfordeletion, obviously. there has not been a push to delete them, or at least for some time (and past attempts did not at all prove to be successful, obviously) for me, if there s going to be recognition of nationality, then citizenship and ethnicity need to be equally and universally recognized and described. My last word on it in our talk here is that burden of providing sourcing policies this, as it does everything elso on wikip. Despite our opposing views, nothing in the way of bad feelings I hope. Regards Mayumashu (talk) 19:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] National Council on Crime and Delinquency

Hello,

You stated that you deleted the article because it was a copy of our own non-profit organization's website. I am confused as to how it can be a copyright infringement when it is our own material. I read the guidelines you suggested, and am still not sure where I went wrong. I modeled the article after other similar non-profit organization's articles. Does the content of the article need to be totally different than our website? Please help.

Nccd (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ecotax neutrality

Hi! You recently voted to delete the Ecotaxes category on the basis that what can be considered an ecotax is POV. Since the majority vote was to delete, I think it's an indication that the Ecotax article might need some NPOV improvement. Would you help tag the POV areas so I can fix them? --Explodicle (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crank (village)

The article consists of only one sentence "..is a village". Can you please expand it? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Fictional children

Would you take another look at the CFD for Category:Fictional children? My impression is that your !vote to delete was procedural (recreation of a previously deleted category). However, after an extended discussion, things have turned around dramatically, with two editors switching to Keep. Given your support for Category:Child actors, I'm thinking that you might see the light on this one, too. :) Cgingold (talk) 20:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ifat / Yifat

Carlos, gracias por tu correcciones. UnLoCode (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Exonerated Soviet death sentences

I just noticed that you haven't added any further remarks since I posted my alternate renaming proposal for Category:Exonerated Soviet death sentences. You might want to take a look. Cgingold (talk) 11:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Cities named Apamea

Category:Cities named Apamea, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. olderwiser 13:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bere, Burkina

Thats perfect. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000?

Thats great thanks, Any help you can give with dabbing Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places would be very helpful indeed given that we are currently waiting for a bot to be approved to add over 1 million places. Dabbing will need doing big time and we will require several clones of yourself to accomplish it!!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm still not certain on how I could dab Baluch.

  • Baluch,Balūch,Balkh, Afghanistan, 36, 2, 15,N, 66, 47, 17,E
  • Baluch,Balūch,Balkh, Afghanistan, 35, 38, 13,N, 67, 4, 43,E

Is it possible you could find them on a map and dab them like Baluch (5km north of Salid) for example? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Bot approved: dabbing help needed

Hi there. Fritz bot has been approved at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/FritzpollBot for filling in a possible 1.8 million articles on settlements across the world. Now dabbing needs to be done for links which aren't sorted as the bot will bypass any blue links. and I need as many people as possible to help me with Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places to prepare for the bot. If you could tackle a page or two everything counts as it will be hard to do it alone. For those problematic places with the same name in the same province, a dabbing problems page will be made to list these that can be sorted later. Thankyou ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

They are drawn up like that using a bot by province or district. I'm afraid theres nothing I can do about names not being next to each other. But all we have to do is just check the links that have shown up blue to ensure they correspond to the correct article. The bot will bypass any blue links so we need to ensure that those already linked are correct ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, perhaps discuss it with User:Fritzpoll ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course you're not wasting your time. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places#Asia. The instructions are for editors to leave a big green tick Y Done when asection of page has been done to other editors don't have to recheck. Wherever somebody left of with Armenia they should have left a note. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I've created a page for those links which are problematic at we discussed the other day at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/Problematic naming. I wonder if we could use two ways to disamb them e.g one in brackets and the others with a comma? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Still very much appreciate your work in the disamb department. Whether people kick up enough fuss to stop the bot running fully or not, these places will all be added soon enough guaranteed. Keep up the good work ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I know, I really think we need to come to some sort of decision because before you know it there will be a huge list to sort out which noone will feel like tackling. SOme places in Cambodia have more than multiple names ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ray Ventura

Hi, I saw you A7'ed this article in November. I'd like to see the deleted content in hopes of having it restored; there must have been some sort of mistake, as Ventura was an important French jazz musician (see "what links here"). Chubbles (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hola hermano

Hola hermano, tu te llamas Carlos Suárez, y yo también me llamo Carlos Suárez desde Perú, estoy contento de ver mi nombre como el tuyo, quiero saber donde te encuentras ahora. contestane en Wikipedia en Español. Un abrazo.-- Detective Carlos Suárez de la Brigada Ciber Crimen .........a su servicio (Sección Denuncias) 15:48 4 jun 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jelena Pandžić

Since you added the tags to this article regarding notability and tone I've done a bit of fiddling with it. Could you take another look at it and maybe offer some more specific comments. --Spondoolicks (talk) 09:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "redlink dab"s?

Greetings. On my talkpage you put the following:

"There is a big project to create articles on all the towns and villages, and dabs are needed so that we know where to put places with the same name. I am part of that project, and you can be too. See the discussion on my talk page and on the talk pages of the others involved..."

Sorry, though, I don't follow. I understand what a redlink is, but a "redlink dab"? If you could point out an example--particularly one which you feel I've deleted--I would be appreciative. Xenophon777 (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cooper, Gloucester County, New Jersey

The stuff in this article you created does not seem to exist. I cannot verify it with any resource, unless, this is stuff newly constructed (like within the last year). All recent overhead sat images do not show what you have described in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjeandell (talkcontribs) 22:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

All righty. I actually see what happened. It was an unknown IP that added that stuff. I found what they put on the other side of the county. I will remove their addition and remark. Thanks! (Jjeandell (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC))