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[edit] Samurai Jack

I think everyones having a little bit of trouble trying to find out where Samurai Jack belongs. For the time being, its been placed under Cartoon Cartoons. But it's not a cartoon cartoon. It DID air before 2003 and it WAS shown on CCF, but it's not a cartoon cartoon because it didn't have the moniker come up before it came on. Therefore, it should be placed under Other original series. The only problem with that is that that section refers to all originals that ARE considered cartoon cartoons but have been produced after 2003. That category is pretty much for every original after 2003, and its kind of making assumptions as to what would have been a cartoon cartoon. But Samurai Jack isn't a cartoon cartoon, and we know that. So it can't belong in either category. But it has to be in the template because it is an original. So where should it go. 24.186.101.182 (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That's true but it is a CNS original series as it actually applies to shows produced after 2001 when productions changed to Cartoon Network Studios from Hanna-Barbera Studios, not 2003. I got my year cut-off point wrong so that's why it says 2003 erroneously, edited to correct the issue. --treelo talk 21:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion Question

I'm just wondering because there were Cartoon Cartoons not produced by Hanna-Barbera/CNS and are still considered CN originals (Ed Edd N' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, etc.) Does this mean that there can be CN originals produced after 2003 that are not produced by CNS and belong on this template? 69.113.225.164 (talk) 20:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Shows produced outside Cartoon Network Studios such as the shows you mention amongst others weren't made in-house but involved a lot of input from Cartoon Network in general being the company which commissioned it. True, there should be a fourth category detailing shows which are either co-produced or commissioned by Cartoon Network but it'd mean a larger headache for those dealing with the three we have now. --treelo talk 21:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Co-Productions

I was thinking we should add co-productions to the the Template. Chop Socky Chooks, while produced by Aardman Animations, was financed by both Teletoon and Cartoon Network. George of the Jungle, while produced in Canada by Teletoon, also had Cartoon Network's financing. Same thing with Storm Hawks, expect with YTV. I think we should add a new group entitled "Co-Productions", to list these shows.--UBracter (talk) 22:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not certain of the amount any one of those shows got beyond just commissioning the show in question but even if they invested a lot into a show, they're not produced in-house which is the issue. The template is for CNS/HBS shows and not for co-productions which'd have little input from CNS. However, seeing as a decent amount of shows have been co-produced other than those three such as Robotboy and The Cramp Twins I think a seperate template for those shows specifically would help avoid the confusion between the two and create a distinction between their own productions and those they partially bankrolled. --treelo talk 23:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd say make a another template for co-produced shows, and transclude it into this template. Yngvarr (c) 23:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, why would transclusion work where inclusion wouldn't? I still feel having something separate which is specific to these very different shows is better than having them lumped in here. Would mean a rename if that's the case and they're not CN specific either. --treelo talk 23:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
You're right about the transclusion. It shouldn't appear on any CNS show article, just include it on the main CN article and any of the non-CNS shows. It is confusing, as you mention, because Chop Socky Chooks (eg) is not an "Original Series" (as the title of the template says). Yngvarr (c) 23:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, they are original productions, just not by CNS which is the whole point of this template, adding co-prods just muddies the water in my opinion. Consensus agrees then, separate template for co-prods to be made and placed on named shows and the main Cartoon Network articles for each region. treelo talk 10:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Ed, Edd n Eddy are not produced by CNS, but by AKA Studios. Nonetheless, I kinda see your part. I would just like to see these shows get some mention on a template.--UBracter (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
EEnE is still pretty much a CN product as whilst it wasn't made there, it is wholly controlled by CN just like KND which is also not made by CNS themselves but received huge input from CN. If you want a mention, make a template like suggested, you should be able to find help for template construction. treelo talk 11:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)