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[edit] 31 Jul 2004 - 4 Feb 2005

I disagree with the wholesale import coupled with name change. Hanna-Barbera represents an era and a legacy that stands by itself. It was an independent company, unlike the current status as a unit of a media conglomerate. There has been a sort of reinvention, and what's going on at Cartoon Network Studios has a much different feel. CNS, I think, is making its own lasting mark on animation, but it will be a story different from the Hanna-Barbera story. They are not two aspects of a unified story. Hence, using the articles Lionel Corporation and Lionel, LLC as a model, I propose leaving Hanna-Barbera as a separate entry covering that era, one that will probably settle into being static and historic, and maintaining Cartoon Network Studios as a dynamic, ongoing article recording the present and future activities of the company. --Gary D 04:02, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Really? I had never thought of it that way...I simply thought it was a name change. Alright, if you think it's necessary, I can help re-establish the old article, with historical continuation to the new article, and, if necessary, a restoration of the Hanna-Barbera category. - Gilgamesh 04:22, 31 July 2004 (UTC)

Actually, now that I have given more thought, I respectfully disagree. I think Hanna-Barbera evolved more smoothly into Cartoon Network Studios than you realize. I mean, look at SWAT Kats and 2 Stupid Dogs — they were released under the Hanna-Barbera brand, but far more resemble the Cartoon Network Studios brand as we recognize it today. - Gilgamesh 04:27, 31 July 2004 (UTC)

I really do think it is the right thing to do. The transition itself may have been smooth, but the distinction involves a larger timeframe. SK and 2SD are threshold cases, and I agree they are indeed closer in spirit to CNS than to HB, despite the name on the door at the time (they might be mentioned in both articles, under the proposed scheme). The comparison that justifies the distinction is Jonny Quest and Scooby Doo versus The Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Laboratory--they are not the products of a unified creative source. So let's think about it. Let's ask around WP for a consensus. (BTW, as to the categories, that would depend on the ease and logic of drawing lines of inclusion and exclusion around the various articles.) --Gary D 04:39, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I'm really not prepared to draw those lines of transition. Personally I never saw much difference, other than better quality of production materials and new writers injected into the old styles. If one were to put the threshold cartoons under "Cartoon Network Studios", that would be a POV association because they were never published under that name. As I've understood it, Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios are the same company under different names, with the only separating event being the deaths of both William Hanna and Joseph Barbera. Hanna died earlier, and the name change happened only after Barbera died. I think the evolution of styles can be discussed, but in essence it is the same company under inherited management. - Gilgamesh 04:45, 31 July 2004 (UTC)
The example I sometimes use is the color spectrum: if we examine the spectrum between, say, green and blue, there will be a spread of opinion about where green ends and blue begins, and there will be colors square in the middle that will be hard to call definitely green or definitely blue, but of course we would not therefore say that blue and green are the same color. Drawing the line, just about any line, always has an arbitrary feel. Here, the name change makes as much or more sense as any other dividing line. I actually think time will tell that the overarching presence of TimeWarner is what made the difference. Let's see how (or even whether) the WP group reacts to today's change. --Gary D 05:04, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
...the same reason I never want to sit on a jury. :P I don't feel quite responsible enough to draw the line at malachite green, cyan or aquamarine. - Gilgamesh 05:20, 31 July 2004 (UTC)
Joseph Barbera passed away? Isn't he still alive? Wasn't he also somewhat frustrated with how Warner Brothers treated his studio? Then again I'm not an expert. Aoi 08:37, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Joseph Barbera is alive and well. The name-change occured after William Hanna died. --b. Touch 15:23, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
That's good to hear. Aoi 07:09, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hanna_Barbera closing

I was the one to say that Hanna-Barbera sold the studio in 1997 to WB, Hanna and Barbera closed the studio in 1997, it was fact but someone kept erasing the data I wrote down...Edwardadrian

I removed this:

(What's New Scooby-Doo? marks the latest series the franchise had made since premiering in 1969 and continuing with new Saturday morning shows throughout the '70s, the '80s, and the '90s)

it's already mentioned on the Scooby-Doo page, where it belongs. --b. Touch 17:56, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] re: Notable Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network Studios productions

Please do not add more names to this list (if anything, subtract some). The purpose of the list is to present a summarized listing of the most important cartoon series that Hanna-Barbera as made; the full, extended list is in the subarticle. If anyone can help in trimming the list down more instead of building it up, that would be a much better idea. --FuriousFreddy 01:14, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Split?

After some time and more research, I'm starting to think that perhaps a split would be correct. Cartoon Network Studios is essentially a spinoff of the original Hanna-Barbera Studio, which was absorbed into Warner Bros. Animation. Thoughts? --FuriousFreddy 13:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. Hanna-Barbera is a name of value and Cartoon Network Studios is a whole different (if associated) animal. They need separate listings.Rhindle The Red 23:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network

I think the name Hanna Barbera Cartoons should only be used as a name and also for television for only those by Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios for only those by the Cartoon Network originals. Matter of fact, I think that Hanna-Barbera should've been owned by NBC Universal, because Universal Studios was doing so good before Turner bought the company in 1992. King Shadeed 22:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not CNS productions

I removed these series from the section "List of Cartoon Network Studios productions", with reason.

These are indipendent production for Cartoon Network. CNS has nothing to do with these productions:


--성혀니talk with mesee my work 10:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Does Korgoth really belong here? I can't seem to find a reference for the CNS/Williams St teaming mentioned here, and Korgoth is an Adult Swim show unlike all the rest listed. Hierophany 03:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)



Do they still animate the shows in the traditional manner with cels vs computer?

[edit] Santo

I have removed the link to Santo. The main link had information about a Mexican luchador, and the disambiguition page had absolutely nothing relevant.

[edit] Storm Hawks

It's not produced by Cartoon Network Studios. It doesn't have the Cartoon Network Logo at the end of it, only for Nerd Corps and for something else like YTV or something. But either way it's not produced by Cartoon Network Studios. 24.186.101.182 19:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)