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Howdy y'all. I've loved the 'pedia for several years now, but only started making edits a couple of days ago. So far, mostly haven't made any significant changes. Stumbled upon this article and was curious that there was neither mention of nor link to the liquor/liqueur, Chartreuse, which I recollected was created/produced by this sect of monks. Upon viewing the Chartreuse entry it seems that these are the particular monks that invented/produce the liquor. Is there are reason that all mention of this interesting fact is missing from this entry? Thought I'd ask before going of half-cocked and editing in some malarkey that is only going to get removed and/or annoy some folks.

Also, is this use of the talk forum the appropriate way to go about considering making substantive edits to an article?


Cheers,

-Iggy

[edit] old talk

Can't this article begin by saying the Carthusians are an order of monks (if I am correct in surmising that), rather than by assuming that the reader already knows that? Michael Hardy 01:53 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it should: do please go ahead and edit. I've been looking at it for months and never noticed that deficiency! :) Nevilley 08:09 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
I've done it - is that better? Nevilley

"Today Carthusians live very much as they originally did having never undergone any kind of reform." - I don't quite get this - in England they were ruthlessly supressed under Henry VIII and I don't know how/when they managed a comeback (did they?) in the UK - is this not relevant?? Confusedly, Nevilley

A. "They follow their own Rule, called the Statutes, rather than the Rule of St Benedict (as is often erroneously reported) and combine eremitical and cenobetic life. "

this was changed by Paul to this:

B. "They follow their own Rule, called the Statutes (not, as is often erroneously reported, the Rule of St Benedict),"

For the time being - pending discussion - I have changed it back. The reason I am confused is that I think Paul's edit changes the sense - in A I think that what is being erroneously reported is what they follow, and in B I think that what is being erroneously reported is what it's called. If we can find out which is the case (or if, Paul, you already know) then maybe we should reword it so as to remove the confusion. Thanks, Nevilley 09:23 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing that. I didn't mean to change the sense, I was just trying to make the sentence run better. I actually know nothing whatever about the Carthusians, but FWIW I think it more likely that sense A is the correct one. I therefore elect to leave well enough alone at this point.
-- Paul A 16:31 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
OK and thanks. I will see if I can figure out what was really meant, and reword it so that is clear. Nevilley 00:09 Mar 25, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Motto

The motto is Stat crux dum volvitur orbis and not Cartusia numquam reformata, quia numquam deformata. The last one is a word by Pope Innocent XI.--Momo-DE 17:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just added a link

to the page I have created for the Analecta Cartusiana.

A controverse still exists regarding what Saint Bruno had actually founded : an order or just two monasteries, as he also founded the Charterhouse of Calabria.

[edit] RECOMMENDED READING erase

I don't understand why my recommendation was erase, the book of Halfway to Heaven (Cistercian Studies Series) by Robin Bruce Lockhart, this is not the defintive book on the Carthusian but is one of the most famous, is a recomemended reading for Carthusian novice.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eduardo Tellez (talk • contribs) .

It looked like a self-link/spam when I first saw it. Thank you for the explanation. -- Stbalbach 14:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)