Talk:Carrie Underwood/Archive 1

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Article Length

Is Wikipedia becoming a subsidiary of People Magazine? Are American Idol contestatnts with public exposure of barely 2 years worthy of an article of this length. The article seems to grasp for the most banal of details, present nearly every daily appearance in the last 18 months and stuff them into this gossip-column type composition.

50% of this article can be deleted. The Singles, Discography, and Awards charts sufficiently represent a large majority of the textual content. This redundancy is not necessitated.

The length of Wikipedia articles is determined by the passion of the geeks that write the articles. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia should NOT be used as an authoritative source; it's function should mostly be used to point people in a direction, and the provide the location of authorititative sources

I agree. Its time to go in and do a wholesale pruning of all the out-of date items and chart-cruft that has built up over the past 2 years. --Eqdoktor 06:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I have done some clean-up, reducing the article from 38kb to >30kb (does not give article length warning anymore). I've removed a lot of the excessive fan cheerleading stuff, unnecessary comparisons to other artistes (yes, Carrie is a huge success we get the idea), chart listings (only #1s need to be listed) and advertisement work. There can still be a lot more pruning that can be done, for instance - the body text already lists out the various awards she has won (phew... she had a good year in 2006), AND there is a table listing her wins (and nominations). One or the either is redundant and can be removed. --Eqdoktor 08:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

List of performances in AI

Under the American Idol section, I think that we should compile a list of the performances and her own renditions of the songs she performed under this section so people can see what she performanced to be deserving of the American Idol crown. --Omghgomg 10:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


I agree, I think it would be nice to have a chart showing her performances, like the Kelly Clarkson page has. I'll add this in the next week or so if no-one has any objections.

Lnkinprk777 07:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Relationship Rumors

Carrie is rumored to be dating Dallas Cowboys quarterback, Tony Romo -- who claims that the story is true. However, Underwood has yet to comment, while Romo and his agent were behind the rumors that he was dating Jessica Simpson; after he had been dumped by his now ex-girlfriend.

I don't think it's fair to publish rumors as fact, about someone's relationship, when that person has made no comment. The reality is, Tony Romo is playing a PR game right now after getting dumped, and so the fact is, people generally don't look at a single-guy in his late 20s as wholesome or well grounded -- they look at him as aloof, irresponsible and/or immature. So to get dumped right as your star-power is rising, is not good PR; especially for the quarterback of "America's Team." Which is when Romo and his agent stirred the rumors about him dating Jessica Simpson, which backfired because she was dating John Mayer. Apparently, they've now done some better research and have moved on to Carrie.

All I'm saying is that, until Carrie comments on the rumors, that the rumors are likely just a PR orchestration and should be ignored. As well, not even YouTube has video clips of Carrie and Romo.

By the way, Romo also claims to be from Oklahoma, when he was born in San Diego and grew up in Wisconsin.

Player News from Sportsline.com: Dallas QB Tony Romo had his worst game Monday night against Philadelphia since he became a starter. He completed 14-of-29 passes for 142 yards and one touchdown. He was intercepted twice. Coach Bill Parcells had a talk with Romo on Wednesday. "I think he understands what I want from him now," Parcells said. "A little more clearly than he did up to this point." Parcells wouldn't be specific about the conversation. In his past four games, Romo has thrown four touchdowns and been intercepted seven times. Also, Romo is looking to avoid distractions. Romo was linked to pop star Jessica Simpson and now it's Carrie Underwood. He talked with Underwood on the field before the game and said it did not detract from his focus against the Eagles. Romo said all his time is devoted to football. "Anybody that knows me knows I am up here all the time," Romo said. "This is what I do. I don't have much else in my life." (Updated 12/28/2006).

Updated the Tony Romo/Carrie Underwood dating item with a external ref link. I dunno how relevant this is in an encyclopedia article of Carrie Underwood (more like a gossip item IMO), but there you have it. He's gonna after have a lot more time with her after this game debacle [1][2] = snarky snicker... --Eqdoktor 08:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

After that *performance* I don't think anyone would blame her if they ended the relationship. People can blame it on the K-ball all they want, but the fact is, the Cowboys lost because Romo had basically given up in order to sulk.

>>>>>American Idol winner and country music star Carrie Underwood has come out to deny she's dating Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo.

She was seen hugging him on the Texas Stadium football field Christmas Day, but Underwood says that was the first time the two had ever met - and there was never anything going on between them.

On the other hand, Romo told Journal Gazette/Times-Courier sports editor Brian Nielsen that the two were an item. Underwood's publicist - who says Carrie is not dating anyone - presumes Romo was joking.

Carrie told The Tennessean:

"The first time I ever met him was on Christmas, right there on the field. Everybody was like, 'Ooh, they are together.' And then I was blamed for Dallas not winning that game. He is a very nice guy and I've talked to him a few times, but we are very much not together."

NOTE

TXmaster and NSUBOY continue to vandalize this page by including non-sourced information pertaining to a boyfriend named "Chad Eagleton." TXmaster uploaded a picture on 2/17 in which he states that he is Chad Eagleton. These claims are most likely dubious attempts by the two users (who are probably actually the same person) to claim that they are dating Carrie Underwood. As none of their claims are sourced, I along with several other users continue to delete them. Neither user has stepped up to the challenge of providing a source for their claims. Please continue to delete their constant vandalism. Batman2005 23:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

If he inserts it one more time before too long, he'll be in violation of WP:3RR. I'll leave a message to that effect on his talk page. Hermione1980 00:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Good job, I also reported both users as vandals twice now, hopefully these users and their vandalism will be stopped. Batman2005 00:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, she did date someone named Chad Eagleton but has since broken-up with him ... it was in the September issue of Teen People. I wonder if she was disappointed by his apparent desperation to make everyone know that they were dating

VfD

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Carrie Underwood. dbenbenn | talk 15:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if this page should be deleted per se, but it should have a "blurb" about Carrie Underwood and not just redirect to the "American Idol" page. 67.34.62.23 00:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)


College

The article stated that Underwood was a student at the University of Central Oklahoma. An anon user changed that to Northeastern State University. Which is it? Was the change just vandalization or valid? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:58, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

The change is valid.

Not born in a hospital?

Do we have a source for this?

Here's a source that says, Carrie Underwood, was the very first American Idol contestant that was not born in a hospital.--Gramaic 03:28, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that article used Wikipedia as its reference (see the "Reference" link at the bottom; they often use Wikipedia as a source), so I'm not sure if it can be used as a citation for this fact. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
lol. I feel a little embarrased. I didn't know that site used us as a source. My bad.--Gramaic 07:16, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
That would be kind of circular, wouldn't it... putting some "fact" here, letting sites like Juice News Daily cite us as a source when republishing it, then using them as a source to legitimize our use of the item ourselves. It's kind of how factoids and urban legends get established in the first place, with various people citing one another as the alleged fact reverberates all over the place, getting more popular all the time (whether it's actually true or not)... *Dan* 02:36, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Don't feel bad. The only reason I know is because I came across the article when I was searching for articles to add to Wikipedia as a press source 2005. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:15, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Bottom three info.

Clay Aiken was deleted from the part about the statement that says Carrie Underwood joins Kelly Clarkson and Clay Aiken by not going down to the bottom three. Is this edit okay, because the person who deleted Clay Aiken's name was the same person who committed vandalism here in the talk page. Whoever he or she is, deleted all the comments here in the talk page, but I reverted it.--Gramaic 01:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's okay, because Clay was never in the bottom three per se, he just didn't quite get enough votes in the last show. Unless anyone objects, I'm going to revert the edit today. Hermione1980 14:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Technically, isn't everybody in the "bottom three" once they're down to only three remaining finalists? *Dan* 02:38, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Well, she won.

HALLELUJAH

I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was expected that Carrie was the obvious winner, even Simon himself said that she would win. Tonight I'm the happiest person on earth. Carrie being the new American Idol, hey what more can you ask for? :-)

--Gramaic; big Carrie Underwood fan! 05:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Move to delete

This is not educational nor informative. It is a meaningless American TV show, and chews up precious Wikipedia space that could be used for more encyclopaedic topics...

I would disagree. It is an exceedingly popular show (given the fact that 5 billion votes were recorded this season) and such a pop-culture phenomenon should certainly be recorded in Wikipedia's annals.
So go create some "more encyclopaedic topics"... who's stopping you? *Dan* 23:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
If you have a problem with American Idol, place that article on WP:VFD. Carrie Underwood is (or shortly will be) notable in her own right as a successful music artist. Would you have Clay Aiken or Kelly Clarkson be deleted?
And do remember that Wikipedia is not paper. Hermione1980 00:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Delete Carrie Underwood??? Look anonymous user. You may think that this kind of article is not important, but that's just your POV. I and many others think that articles about Carrie Underwood and American Idol are very important and encyclopedic. So please, don't force your beliefs and point of view on others.--Gramaic 05:13, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I think this anon user may have just been try to rustle some feathers (s/he also said the American Idol article should be deleted). Notice this user didn't nominate it for deletion. I think they just wanted to see what kind of response the comment would evoke.
No, this article is not chewing "up precious Wikipedia space" any more than many more articles on topics which are much less notable. By the way, I think 500 million votes were recorded this season (roughly double the population of the United States). Still noteworthy, but not all that close to 5 billion. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:24, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
I just did some checking, and obviously this user has no idea what Wikipedia is all about. They also said that Spider-Man shouldn't be included in the 'pedia. They said that Wikipedia should be a cyber-Encyclopedia Brittanica. Excuse me, but Wikipedia is much better than EB and covers many more topics, and in more detail.
The only contributions this user made was to say that these three topics (American Idol, Carrie Underwood and Spider-Man) don't belong on Wikipedia. They also said that Wikipedia shouldn't allow so many people to edit articles. Hmm... doesn't sound like they get "wiki" at all. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:31, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Just ignore it. Michael 23:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Documenting Carrie Underwood's daily appearance schedule in great detail is hardly encyclopedic, particularly since she has a career length so far of what? 18 months? Clearly this is more an infatuation with concocted celebrity, which American Idol has no qualms admitting it is. Incidentally, noting American Idol votes (i.e. how many dozens of times the same teenager can repeatedly speed dial in one evening) is hardly a measure of significance.

Yodel?

Last night on the Tonight Show, she demonstrated that she is a proficient yodeller. I think this is interesting, but I don't know how to elegantly work it into the article. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:49, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

That's a terrible looking picture of her.....

Somebody needs to upload a better picture. Revolución 19:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Really? I thought it was pretty good. What's wrong with it?
Actually, a better question is whether or not we can legally use it. I suspect whoever uploaded just lifted it from one of the fan sites, without permission. Even if they did have permission, the fan site probably didn't have or obtain the image's copyright. So the image will probably need to be deleted because it is not GFDL or in the public domain. In fact, if you look at the bottom of the pic, it still has www.carrieunderwoodonline.com stamped on it!
Look at the image of Card in the Orson Scott Card article. That's a horrible photo, but the best copyright-free one we could get. — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:45, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I got a better pic Batzarro 12:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood as a country singer.

Has anyone seen the exclusive CNN interview with the American Idol contestants and judges last night, with Ryan Seacrest substituting for Larry King? Anyway, on that show Carrie said that she was mostly going to stick with country music, and I was wondering does anyone think that we should add Category:Country musicians to the article?--Gramaic 06:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Probably not until after she releases an album. Just my $.02... — Frecklefoot | Talk 02:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
In that case, I'll remove the category, because I just added it to the article.--Gramaic 02:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Vocal range

Can someone please WP:CITE a source for Ms. Underwood's vocal range? Hall Monitor 19:19, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Ha! Good luck. This is another weird WP-edit-battles-subculture. Wasted Time R 19:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
If no source can be cited supporting her vocal range, this piece of trivia should be removed in accordance with Wikipedia official policies. Do you agree? Hall Monitor 20:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Do a search for "vocal profile", you'll see there's literally dozens of articles with this section in them now. I remember that some of these come from some website somewhere that keeps track of this stuff. Others are done by WP editors sitting at a piano listening to records and trying to match notes. I guess that counts as the dreaded "original research". In my opinion, you're better off trying to fight some other battle than this one. Even if you take out some of these sections, others will put them right back in. Wasted Time R 20:50, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be nothing approaching a consistent, objective, rating of any singer's vocal range, judging from the many recent edits to that section in various singers' pages where the range is altered in what seems to be a random walk. *Dan* 00:34, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
The "Vocal Profile" subsection has been removed until an editor can WP:CITE a valid source. Hall Monitor 16:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Vegetarian?

From the article:

She was voted as one of PETA's two 2005 "World's Sexiest Vegetarians".

Is this correct? Underwood is not a vegetarian, she simply doesn't eat beef because she might be eating one of her pets. I'm fairly certain she eats chicken, pork, fish, etc. which doesn't qualify her as a vegetarian by almost any definition. Can anyone shed any light on this? — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:45, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I'm with you on this Frecklefoot, I've only heard her say that she doesn't eat beef, and never heard her say she doesn't eat meat. --Gramaic | Talk 20:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Yes, she is a vegetarian. Most of the ppl who have farms, are vegetarians. And she wouldn't lie!! I even saw the picture of her voted as the sexiest vegetarian!!

"Most of the ppl who have farms, are vegetarians." WHAT? Umm I know lots of farmers and I don't know a single one who is a vegetarian. In fact, most of them hate vegetarians. Nwbh 19:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Carrie was filmed wearing a "V is for Vegetarian" tee shirt on Idol during one of the results show. She obviously considers herself a vegetarian and so does PETA.

I TOTALLY AGREE SO MUCH IT HURTS,SHE IS A VEGETARIAN!IF YOU CHECK EVERY WEBSITE IT WILL SAY SHE IS A VEGETARIAN!(Trampton 16:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)).

Vocal profile

An anon user added this back in. I thought we deemed these unsuitable because they are POV and lacked sources. Am I right or am I thinking of something else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Fan sites

Am I the only one, or do others think we should remove all the fan sites? It is strictly against Wikipedia standards to provide them. The standards say it might be okay to add one major fan site, be certainly not 8 as the article currently does. If she has an official fan site, I'd add that. But all the other ones should be ditched, IMHO. They are not encyclopedic. Anyone disagree? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:13, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Junk 'em. Wasted Time R 16:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It would make sense to have links to one or two of the most popular fan sites, but not a long list of them. If one of the sites has a "directory" section with links to other fan sites, that would be a good one to link to. *Dan* 17:57, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Linking to "the most popular" site would make sense, but how does one gauge that? Every one of them will claim to be the most popular. What do you use to gauge their popularity? Hits? Edits? Amount of content? If there is one official fan site, that'd be worth keeping (or a directory of fan sites). But since their doesn't seem to be one, I say nix 'em all. Anyone else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think restricting links to "official" sites is necessarily a good policy in all cases; it's not the function of this site to provide access to just the "party line" of what the official management and marketing of some person/place/thing wants you to see; independent unofficial sources are useful, but require some degree of notability to link here. *Dan* 15:21, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm just stating Wikipedia policy here. If you want to change the policy, bring it up on the Village Pump. I still think they should all be nixed. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:53, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

question on tense

-I am kinda new to this wikipedia thing, but I was wondering how to change the tense of a statement in the Carrie Underwood section? It should read "is a member of Sigma Sigma Sigma" and not "was a member" because when you join sorority your membership is for life not just college. She has been featured in the sororities national magazine as a current member also. user:jadis96

Just click "Edit this page" (or whatever your skin says) and change it. Is that wiki or what? ;-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

My fan site CarrieNEWS.com lists all of the quality Carrie Underwood sites and actually includes CarrieUnderwoodOfficial.com in my directory on the home page. 71.106.233.137 05:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Rich January 8, 2006.

Congratulations. I'm sure that's a big achievement.The best...ever 08:29, 9 January 2006

Sex symbol

Apparently, 68.89.40.39 thinks Underwood is a sex symbol. While she certainly is attractive, I don't think that automatically makes her a sex symbol. She's usually portrayed as wholesome and sweet, not as a sexpot. Anyone else think she should be removed from the "sex symbol" category? — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

My first opinion is that Category:Sex symbols is far too subjective for the purpose of an encyclopedia. Since Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of information based on fact and not personal opinion, yes, this should be removed until at least two credible and independent sources can be provided which define her as one. Hall Monitor 20:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_20#Category:Sex_symbols for a related discussion. The category itself was narrowly kept in a recent CfD discussion due to a lack of consensus, partially because of the existence of Category:Gay icons. Hall Monitor 20:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Until someone can WP:CITE a proper source, I am removing this article from Category:Sex symbols. Hall Monitor 18:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

She's hot

I think she's hot. Also,shes sweet and sexy not a bad girl like Britney or Christina Aguilera.

How is what you (anonymously) think of her relevant to an encyclopedia article on her? *Dan T.* 11:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Even administrators were talking as to whether Jamie spears was hot on her talk page,so why not Carrie.

I agree...She is very hot!


I totally agree, Britney Spears gets divorced to K-Fed and has alrady kids with that loser!She married a guy that asks money out of her and steals her clothes! K-Fed is a loser, and did you see that commercial of his on the Super Bowl?(Trampton 10:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)).P.S. What was written above is not me!

Born in Muskogee, Oklahoma?

Is there a source for this statement? --Gramaic | Talk 05:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, according to her label's website (aristanashville.com), Carrie was born in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and not in Checotah, Oklahoma, as many media sources state. Go to: http://aristanashville.com/cu/bio.htm --ChicagoOkie 12:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Regards, --Gramaic | Talk 09:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Carrie was born in Muskogee which is a Creek Indian town just like the small Creek settlement of Checotah. And she is Creek Indian. Can't you even look at her and see it. Just because she's lightened her hair doesn't mean she's a white girl.


Creek Indian town? according to the 2000 US Census:

"The racial makeup of the city was 61.12% White, 17.90% African American, 12.34% Native American, 0.90% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.57% from other races, and 6.16% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.28% of the population."

Most likely she is white.

Pure white people in Oklahoma are a minority. She probably does have some type of indian in her. And the Creek word for Creek is Muskogee.

pic

I uploaded a better image of her Batzarro 12:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC) 3 cheers for me

"Better" is subjective. I liked the old one better. The new one has her looking goofy. Just MHO. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
It is somewhat better, I agree, but the caption is incorrect. That pic is from her "Today" show appearance, not her "winning the fourth season of American Idol" as stated. It keeps getting swtiched back to the incorrect caption. ChicagoOkie 19:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The other picture was better. --Gramaic | Talk 03:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Charts attribution

I think we should add an external link to the specific billboard charts page so we can verify it easier every time someone changes it on Wikipedia. --Kpwa gok

Listing of singles

Listing singles twice seems to be part of the classification scheme: classify by albums, and classify by singles. Seems natural to list the singles within the album section. --MegaHasher 17:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Platinum information on the singles are gone. -MegaHasher 05:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

A chart position of 117 is non-existent. Billboard's chart only goes up to 100 spots. A song Bubbling Under at #17 is not necessarily chart song 117 because a song that hasn't gone recurrent could theoretically drop off from, say, #95 down to #102. That song would not be listed on the Bubbling Under chart because it already charted, but it would still be ahead of Bubbling Under #17 even though it can't be seen. Therefore any chart position outside of the top 100 should not be listed and should be removed. 15:59, 24 August 2006 (Dave)

AI Performances

Is it REALLY all that important to name every single song that she performed on AI? During the competition that might have been useful - but she is really way past that now. Michigan user 18:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we could put this in a seperate article? Something like...American Idol Performances by Carrie Underwood?? -- Tvaughn05e (Talk)(Contribs) 00:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The performances information is often useful — it's the last look you get at an artist's range of taste and abilities before they get pigeonholed by the music industry into a small box.205.188.117.11 04:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism regarding current boyfriend.

As there are NO reputable sources stating that she is dating this "Chad" guy, it should not be included here. Additionally, the photograph of the two may be included, but shouldn't be captioned as "Carrie with boyfriend Chad Eagleton" until a reputable source can be found. I get a sneaky feeling that "Chad Eagleton" is actually the user who continuously posts the vandalism. If it keeps being posted without proper soure material, i'll report it as vandalism and the user as a vandal. Batman2005 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Using celebrity pictures without permission too, I might add. -MegaHasher 23:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I just googled "carrie underwood" AND "chad eagleton" and got 5 hits, 2 of which are duplicate/similar. This claim is a bunch of baloney/vandalism and should be treated accordingly. Hermione1980 00:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

All sources ARE verifed in regards to the personal life section. This information was published in Oklahoma Today Newspaper. Those that are editing this section just dont want this information publish. All of which is public knowledge.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.136 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC).
Please remember that this is an encyclopedia, and an aggregate of verifiable information, not a random collection of gossip. Feel free to provide a link to any sort of actual evidence. — TheKMantalk 05:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, I have done a google search for ANYTHING relating to Carrie Underwood and Chad Eagleton, as well as search of the Oklahoma Today website and found no verifying information. I think we should face the facts that Mia2007, NSUBOY, TXmaster and the non-registered IP user who adds the information is himself Chad Eagleton, who was fortunate enough to snap a picture with Carrie Underwood, and claims to be her boyfriend. I also find it interesting that after TXmaster and NSUBOY were blocked from editing, Mia2007 pops up as well as this IP address which resolves to somewhere in Oklahoma start to pop up claiming the same information. Pathetic I tell you. Batman2005 05:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I just removed the vandalism myself. Apparently this user has changed the "boyfriend's" name from Chad Eagleton to Drake Clark. --Gramaic | Talk 04:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Drake Clark stuff appears to be valid, as a google search talks about them dating at one time or another. I'm of the opinion that a celebrities personal life isn't encyclopedic at all unless they are married, or there is some notable instance in which the celebrities relationship becomes public. Batman2005 04:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I think we should just totally leave out this boyfriend thing. When it is confirmed, then it is ready to be in an encyclopedia. unless you want to point out that her boyfriend is me. =) </small) -- Tvaughn05e (Talk)(Contribs) 23:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, not that I care at all, but I'm damn sure she dated Mr. Clark while a student at NSU and I'm pretty damn sure she is, or recently was, dating Mr. Eagleton.Kpwa gok 00:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • What is suspect is that the user who uploaded the photo and added the information claimed to be "Chad Eagleton" yet was able to provide no sourced proof to his claims of dating her. Furthermore there is a magazine article out there, and for the life of me i can't remember at the moment which one it was, where she said that she wasn't dating anyone and hasn't even had time to think about that kind of stuff. Batman2005 04:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with User:Batman2005,with the name "Chad Eagleton", that sounds fake, but who could it be, but don't look at me, of course!And that name sounds like one who would play rock music, with the name "Eagleton" like a manly thing "Eagle" and "Chad" and "Drake , these names are all cool-like,it be like someone to name themselves "Skull on Fire",right? And plus sometimes magazines put out fake stuff! (Trampton 16:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)).

Chad and Carrie aren't together anymore, but I know Chad and I know that they did date for a while after she won American Idol. They met at College where they both went at NSU.

Protection

The following users consistently vandalise this page with the same information. They are probably sockpuppets of eachother TXmaster, NSUBOY, Mia2007, and Memo2009. I'm protecting until admins can figure out how to deal with this continued vandalism. Batman2005 21:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

"Chad" is back, so I protected the page again. -MegaHasher 03:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Next single

"Before He Cheats" is not a single yet. "Don't Forget To Remember Me" will be a single in a week time. -MegaHasher 23:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Carrie Images

Only usable images of Carrie Underwood will probably be publicity photos. Any digitized photos from the TV are likely to be copyright violations. -MegaHasher 03:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist

If you don't like the colors, take it up with the WikiProject starter. The salmon symbolizes a solo artist and the red symbolizes country music. --User:Carie 16:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Similar Artists

Uh...isn't this an inherently POV section of the article? Clearly if you think she's similar to Martina McBride, or Tanya Tucker, or whoever....it's your OPINION, not encyclopedic fact. What are we basing this on? Musical Genre? Hair Color? Eye Color? those would all be verifiable at least. But anything else is pure opinion and should not be included. Batman2005 22:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Your comment is better directed to User talk:Bmearns/musical artists wikiproject. Wasted Time R 22:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I was about to move it there as well actually. Thanks! Batman2005 23:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Individual Performance Listing

I can almost see listing each and every song that was sung on AI during the competition - because AI seems to be a hugely notable passtime in America. However - we are now a year after the fact - and this detailed song performance listing is still here. It is not on any other AI alumni page. Unless someone comes back with a good reason for keeping this level of detail in this article - I will remove it in a few days. -- Triage 17:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see it go. I thought it was a valuable source of information. I'm into marking the anniversaries of song performances (not just with Carrie, but other artists/songs as well) and I often hit this site to refer to that listing. I'd like to see it listed somewhere. If not on the Carrie page, then maybe on an AI page. --Rob 11:07, 5 April 2006

It's been relocated to the American Idol (Season 4) article. Wasted Time R 15:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

RIAA Certification

While I know that it is exciting that Carrie is approaching the 3 million sales mark, in fact her label has not yet applied for formal certification. Then after that it takes 30 days for the audit to happen. Then, if everything is in order - they will update the RIAA database with the certification information http://www.riaa.com - but for right now - Carrie is only 2X certified:

Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 07/26/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 11/18/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Dig

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA P ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA G ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 01/06/06 ARISTA M (2) ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL 01 -- 66.82.9.70 15:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


According to both CMT and GACTV, Underwood's album has been certified triple platinum. This happened a few days ago. Link to CMT's article: http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1527924/04052006/underwood__carrie.jhtml ChicagoOkie 07:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That is just PR Spin. RIAA says that it is not yet a fact. It is inaccurate to report that RIAA has certified something when in fact they have not. In fact it is not possible that the certification has happened yet because the sales did not reach that level until the last week or so, and it takes TIME to really make it happen. When the RIAA database SAYS that it is 3X certified than you can mark it. -- 69.19.14.37 10:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Carrie is NOT yet 3x platinum, and neither is Clay Aiken. Look it up for yourselfs. That is why the Aiken article still says 2x platinum. --Triage 21:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
As of today Carries sales are 2,548,848 plus Hdd's count of 42,206 which is about 2,591,000. I would expect that RCA has requested a sales audit from the RIAA for Carrie, because they are very close to selling the 3 million at the rate of her current sales. But is still takes time for it to happen. It has not happened yet. http://www.riaa.com -- Triage 21:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
So I am guessing that this IP address does not know how to check the Talk page. -- Michigan user 16:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • To the enthusiastic Carrie fans: Yes - RCA had a 3x party reported by CMT.com. NO the RIAA has not yet granted the certification. RCA is just jumping the gun a bit for PR reasons. There are plenty of articles out there that talk about Clay Aiken's CD being 3x, so it is sourced, and he is a heck of a lot closer to 3 million on Soundscan than Carrie - but according to the RIAA it is just not TRUE. And it is not yet true for Carrie either. Give it a month or two and perhaps it WILL be true. After all Carrie is selling much more than Aiken each week. But for now - to say the RIAA h as certified it (when it has not) is a lie. -- 66.82.9.70 23:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • The fact is that the CD can not be certified until RCA has sold 3,000,000 to distributors (shipped 3 Million) that CAN NOT BE RETURNED. That is the problem. Right now there are about 400,000 CDs that could potentially be returned from stores. So RCA is just anticipating that those shipped CDs will in fact be sold. The RIAA waits until it is a fact before it really grants the certificate. Note the Carrie still appears as 2x on the Billboard charts. -- 66.82.9.70 23:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you put in a paragraph that says something like "RCA is celerating the upcoming 3x Platinum certification of Carries Album (with your source)". Then you get the message across without saying that the RIAA has certified something that they clearly say they have not. --69.19.14.38 16:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
It's not Wikipedia's job to document celebrations at record companies. Wasted Time R 16:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is better than incorrectly stating that the RIAA has certified something that they have not, but I see your point. -- 66.82.9.62 23:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Billboard now shows on its site that Carrie is 3x platinum. RIAA, on the other hand, still has Carrie listed as 2x platinum. The two organizations don't always state the same thing like you were trying to say. Regardless, the RIAA information is the information that matters.ChicagoOkie 09:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes - well the ARTICLE says that the RIAA has certified her 3x. When the RIAA says they have done that - then the article can change - until then leave it at 2x. If you want to ramble on about Billboard already talking about 3x make sure it is clear that it is a BILLBOARD reference - not an RIAA reference. -- 69.19.14.43 10:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Did I change it? No. Did I say that the RIAA information was the information that matters? Yes. Please quit playing RIAA Police with me and read what I have posted before telling me I'm free to ramble under your terms. ChicagoOkie 19:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Who was talking to YOU?? I was talking to the person who changed the article. They had an entire comment in there that I was responding to. Sorry that I did not repeat it to clarify things. -- 66.82.9.56 02:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Carrie

Good heavens that girl is cute. Sorry - just had to say that. -- BearG 00:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


Same here, brother! Oh ,hey between you and me:I dream of her every night! (Trampton 10:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)).

Chad the Vandal is back

well, after quite awhile, Chad Eagleton is back to posting his immature dreams about dating Carrie Underwood. I find is hilarious that this guy keeps trying to get away with it...you'll notice that first it was the Maxim After Party, now its the Billboard Awards Party. Loser. Please delete this obvious crap if you see it. Batman2005 23:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian Artist

I just want to say that she also sings Christian music as is made obvious in her song called "Jesus, Take the Wheel". This should be noted in the article. --PaladinWriter 20:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Why? Christian Music is most often used to refer to those artists who release entire Christian albums or specifically cater their music to the christian crowd. "Jesus Take the Wheel" is a country song and is labeled as such on her album and should be labeled as such here. Batman2005 20:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that she is not considered a solely Christian artist, surely there must be some source speaking about her faith? I know I've read about/heard her talk about her faith before...that belongs in this article, especially since its influence can be so easily seen in her music. 24.59.126.152 22:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

If she talks about her faith in an interview, or something that can be reputably cited, then it should be included. But saying that because of a certain song she is of a certain faith is original research. I could sing a song about baked beans, but that doesn't mean I like to eat them. Batman2005 18:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

--Country music is not necessarily Christian Music

Generally, Christian Rock is oriented around hymns and praise, while Country music is meant to tackle the religious struggles of every day life at that time, but it can also be about stuff that's not religious. As they say, country music is about Saturday night and Sunday morning. Christian music would be just about Sunday morning and the Bible.

Clean Up

I cleaned up the article somewhat to Wikipedia's good article criteria (with guidance from Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, & Taylor Hicks articles). If you find crucial information that was deleted but should be reinserted, be sure to place it under a section that relates to the fact. Thanks. User:Arual 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The Anti-Kelly Clarkson

I don't think that a necessary title for Carrie. It's not a fact, and I have never heard anyone call Carrie the Anti-Kelly Clarkson. It should be deleted.

"Before He Cheats" was not the 100th #1

"Before He Cheats" was not the 100th #1 from an "American Idol" alum. The 100th #1 belongs to Kelly Clarkson, so I'm removing that statement from Carrie's page. See subhead "'BEFORE' AND AFTERMATH" at http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/bonus.jsp ChicagoOkie 21:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Awards table layout is screwed up

I don't know how to fix it, but it looks like someone broke the layout a few days ago

USO Show

I've removed the following paragraph from the lead section. It's in need of at least verification and copywriting:

In December 2006, Carrie embarked to Iraq to perform at the USO concerts held for the troops overseas. This is Carrie's first international lineup of tours, and many people are praising her patriotism, courage, and humility.

  • There is still no confirmation that she will be performing in Iraq, it's just being vaguely stated as "the Persian gulf", and specific information, until the shows actually take place, have been suppressed for security reasons. I'm not seeing any news sources confirming that these shows have already taken place, but I could be wrong.
  • Source, please, for the praise on "patriotism, courage, and humility", otherwise, that needs to go, for the use of weasel words. - NicolaM 12:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

News releases in Wikipedia?

Whoa there! Is it proper or encyclopedic to print Carrie Underwoods's Public Relations news releases in the Wikipedia? Apart from the fact that they are hilariously over the top non-NPOV cheerleading (and rightly so, as they are paid to be), they also merely repeat what is already detailed in the article. Its just badly out of place in Wikipedia. This is her Wikipedia encyclopedia article, not her fan blog or fan website - we need to adhere to the NPOV Wikipedia guidelines. I will remove the "Recent News" section and paste it over here. Whatever information that is not already in the main article can be taken out and put in the article.

Recent news

  • NASHVILLE – (Jan. 10, 2007) - Carrie Underwood will add more trophies to her award case after walking away with her first awards of 2007 with victories in both her nominated categories at the People’s Choice Awards last night - Favorite Female Singer and Favorite Country Song for “Before He Cheats.” Underwood wrapped 2006 with a host of awards including 5 Billboard Music Awards- Album of the Year, Country Album of the Year, Female Billboard 200 Album Artist of the Year, Female Country Artist of the Year and New Country Artist of the Year, as well as 2 CMA Awards including Female Vocalist of the Year, 2 CMT Awards, 2 ACM Awards, an American Music Award and many more.
  • Nashville, TN – Carrie Underwood begins 2007 with another incredible accomplishment as her 19 Recordings/Arista Nashville debut album, Some Hearts, vaults to RIAA Quintuple-Platinum certification for sales of five million units. The record-setting milestone earns Carrie the fastest 5x Platinum certification of any female country debut in history. Some Hearts is also the best-selling, single-disc country album by a solo artist (male or female) in the last six years - since Tim McGraw’s Greatest Hits released in November of 2000. And with January 10 SoundScan information, Some Hearts earns the further distinction of becoming the best-selling, single-disc country album by any artist (solo, male, female, group, duo, etc.) since the Dixie Chicks’ Home released in August of 2002. Released November 15, 2005, Some Hearts has now logged a total of 20 weeks at #1 on Billboard’s Top Country Albums chart, beginning and ending 2006 at #1 and holding the top country spot for 14 weeks last year – more than any other artist.

I have also added some hidden comments in the main article asking that PR releases not to be put into it. --Eqdoktor 06:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Wasted A Single

I have heard "Wasted" on the radio only once. Does anyone know if it is a single yet? O'Malley II 18:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Creek Indian Heritage?

A user keeps adding the following statement:

Underwood is of Creek Indian heritage and is a member of the Muscogee Creek Nation of Oklahoma.

How true is this? The statement is unsourced, and to be honest, I haven't heard about this information anywhere. I have removed it again to discuss it here. Acalamari 02:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, not much to add here, except if there is a WP:RS (reliable source) for it, it can go in the article. But if there isn't, it simply can't, so you were right in removing it. Mad Jack 06:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't found any sources for it. Also, somebody else will have to remove it next time. I'll break 3RR if I do it again. Acalamari 17:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think you're in danger of breaking 3RR. A 3RR breach would have to be more than 3 reverts in 24 hours. Mad Jack 01:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


Excuse me but Carrie is of Creek heritage and does hold a tribal card, you need to contact her management. We tribal members know who our people are, and Carrie is one of us. In case you don't know, Muskogee is inside the Creek Reservation which borders Cherkoee Nation where Carrie attend NSU in Tahlequah which is the Capitol of the Cherokee Nation. Call Creek Nation if you feel the need to ask of Carrie Underwood is an enrolled tribal member and please stop removing my factual addition to her bio. Call Muscogee (Creek) Nation at 918/756-8700. Thank you!

Please see WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NOR. Even though something may be true, it can't be included unless it's also verifiable in a reliable and accessible source. That means this piece of information can not be in the article unless a specific and reliable source is cited for it ("Call Creek Nation" not being that). As you can see from the policies I linked you to, the burden of evidence is on those wishing to include the information, not those wishing to exclude it. Mad Jack 05:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
There is not a single Indian reservation in the state of Oklahoma. A real oklahoman indian should know that.

http://www.rlnn.com/ArtFeb07/CreekNationUnderwood2GrannyAwards.html

The following article was published by the red lake reservation newspaper.

Creek Nation tribal member Carrie Underwood wins 2 Grammy Awards

http://www.rlnn.com/ArtFeb07/CreekNationUnderwood2GrannyAwards.html


Here is your "reliable source" to prove Carrie is a Creek Nation tribal member.

Muscogee (Creek) Nation Citizenship Board

P.O. Box 580 Okmulgee, OK 74447

(918) 756-8700 ext. 219

(800) 482-1979

(918) 732-7745

Hours 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.


Call the 800 number you racist morons. And stop deleting her heritage info because she's Native American.

Again, please see WP:RS - "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable published sources". Calling up the Creek Nation Citizenship Board, or Underwood's agent, or Underwood herself, doesn't pass the criteria for WP:RS. Mad Jack 18:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
We're not racist you dumbass, we just need an explaination. According to the 2000 US Census information about Checotah, Oklahoma:
"As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 3,481 people, 1,389 households, and 912 families residing in the city. The population density was 389.3/mi² (150.3/km²). There were 1,576 housing units at an average density of 176.3/mi² (68.1/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 67.91% White, 6.92% African American, 15.91% Native American, 0.23% Asian, 0.09% Pacific Islander, 0.40% from other races, and 8.53% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.29% of the population."
There's more white people if anything in Checotah. If Ms. Underwood is Native American as you say she is, then it is very doubtful she's of full blooded ancestry, just my estimates, I'd say she's at most 1/4 Native American heritage.
Another thing you haven't explained, how are tribal members enrolled? I mean as in how much Native ancesty does need in order to be enrolled as a tribal member? Could someone who's of lets say 1/8 Native American ancestry and 7/8 European ancestry count as a Native American? Just curious since I'm not a Native American and don't know how these things work.

She is no longer a Grammy nominated artist, but a Grammy winner.

She is no longer a Grammy nominated artist, but a Grammy winner. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.223.197.205 (talk) 01:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

This has been changed. Acalamari 20:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood didn't,AW!THe Dixie Chicks did,they have won too many awards!Thery have won almost every Grammy! Trampton 17:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC) .

Leann Rimes quote

That's pretty rich coming from Leann Rimes, who won a Grammy award when she was FOURTEEN. Where was the outrage then over "awarding someone who's been in the business for a VERY short time," you stupid hypocrite? I'm not even a Carrie Underwood fan, but that quote rubs me the wrong way for some reason and I'm really tempted to make an edit that points out the irony. However, I'll refrain, in the interest of keeping the article as "objective" as possible.

The thing is, I am deleting the entire section completely from the Carrie Underwood article. For one, its more about Faith Hill and LeAnn Rimes than Underwood. Its a minor hullabaloo during the CMA awards (practical joke taken wrong), its hardly going to impact the careers of Underwood, Rimes or Hill - its just not encyclopedic, more a gossip item. The last is the sort of reaction that section gets as exemplified in the posting above (unwarranted anger directed at Rimes), the section keeps getting edited to make Rimes and Hill look bad. The quote keeps getting shorter and shorter (its a lot longer where Rimes explains her reasoning), subsequent editors just throw everything else out to make Hill and Rimes sound foolish - which contravenes WP:BLP and makes it all WP:POV biased. Underwood hardly makes an appearance in the section. "Not encylopedic" = "Fails WP:BLP" = "WP:POV biased" = "Not relevant to Underwood" = Not in Wikipedia. --Eqdoktor 04:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Vegatarian

She is. She has talked about it many times over, and in country weekly, I read that she doesn't even order eggs from Restaurants, as she knows that they are not likely to be free-range. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

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