Talk:Carnivore (software)

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Carnivore and Echelon are both highly controvercial issues. Civil Rights groups, government watchdogs, and Free-speech advocates are up in arms. (and in my opinion; rightly so) Hhowever, in the spirit of Wiki Let us try to be as unemotional and factual as possible... --DigitalSorceress

I agree, but perhaps some more detail could be gone into as to why they are controversial. --user:Daniel C. Boyer

I think Echelon is better on this. --user:Daniel C. Boyer

[edit] Lawful Intercept Module

I think the general article neglects to detail the nearly universal use of what is called the Lawful Intercept Module (or something similar) in each and every telecom system installed today around the world. This allows local law enforcement the ability to track and record network traffic, fixed line, and mobile usage by user or by classifications of users sorted by Call Data Record searches. The tracked data is stored as mp3, text, or xml as appropriate, and delivered directly to law enforcement via an encryption protocol. In other words, with remote administration and secure delivery of reports, the telecom employees have no idea what is going on. It doesn't even show up in the system monitoring software. A lot of times, it's left out of the system architecture diagrams.

Again, this is already installed in every system I know of. It's not at all complex technically.

Now apply this to a few places outside the US for a moment. Maxim Mishchenko, the leader of Young Russia, has mentioned "political technologies" used by Ukraine and Georgia to overthrow Kremlin backed regimes. This means, of course, SMS, chat, email, video, and mobiles to quickly organize protests and actions.

The telecom systems in those countries are now provided by a Kremlin controlled company. These "political technologies" will NOT be allowed to challenge the status quo again.

See, the usage has shifted from merely monitoring to outright prohibiting political communications, as in the case of Myanmar. What has happened to the monks, students, and dissidents brave or foolish enough to post video, commentary, or SMS the wrong message? Have they already been rounded up?

I don't know another place to post these observations, perhaps a "political technology" page could be created? TWFred 09:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)