Talk:Carnivoramorpha

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[edit] Taxobox

I'm trying to get the taxobox to list Order=Carnivoramorpha, and Inclusive of Order Carnivora and Order Miacoidea, and then Superfamilies: Viverraroidea, Caniformia, Feliformia. Is there a way to do this? there's no reason why a classification cannot have more than one Order. That's the difference between a horizontal and a vertical phylogenetic taxonomy. Valich 08:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Carnivora is indeed nested within Carnivoramorpha, but is it right to call the latter an "order"? The idea behind assigning ranks to taxa is that only taxa of lower rank are nested within one of higher rank. This situation might be an argument for dispensing with ranks altogether. But if we are going to use ranks in taxoboxes, it seems only one of those two nodes should be called an "order".

Cephal-odd 18:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That paper by stiles is obviously student work and should not be used as a ref in this article, when all other aticles are peer reviewed work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.245.55 (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] clades, crown and otherwise

The article's introduction previously called Carnivoramorpha a "crown clade". But I think what was meant is that it is a node-based clade, defined by the last commmon ancestor of two or more subsidiary clades. Today, calling a taxon a crown clade usually means that it arises from the last common ancestor of the extant members of the group. Cephal-odd 18:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Its actaully a stem based clade. Its crown carnivora and all fossils more closely related to that order than any other mammalian group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.41.26 (talk) 23:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)