Talk:Carmina Burana (Orff)

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[edit] Good start

This looks good. I am really surprised this did not already exist. Great job so far. --Charles 02:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lyrics

Could the lyrics for the 'O Fortuna' chorus be fitted anywhere in this article? Or perhaps there is (or should be, considering it's cultural impact) another separate article? Sfacets 16:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think inclusion of the text of an entire movement fits the scope of this article. However, there is an external link to the text of the entire piece. I'm also not sure if an article on a single movement would be a good idea, but O Fortuna is certainly well known. If you think you can right a good article on it, go for it! -- MarkBuckles 03:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
the lyrics arnt necessary here as long as the link to classicalnet stays, however i think a sound clip of O Fortuna would be a good addition

[edit] History

carl orff was considered a nazis in his own work.........most nazis had him write and compose pieces just for them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.196.4.46 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Used at WWE WrestleMania XIV

i heard the song "O Fortuna" used at WWE WrestleMania XIV as an theme for the druids to come out with their sticks that are on fire. they were there to be a part of an WrestleMania style entrance for WWE wrestler The Undertaker.

[edit] Use in TV / film

I'm not sure I agree with "Excalibur the movie (John Boorman, 1981), pioneered the use of O Fortuna in media before this had become a cliché." Play O Fortuna to almost anyone in the UK and they'll instantly recognise it as the "Old Spice" music, used in a long running TV advertising campaign for Old Spice aftershave - and I believe those adverts began in 1977. (And regardless of the dates, I think this advertising should be noted in the article, being where the piece has gained most recognition from in the UK)

- Noted. Also deleted the Jack-Jack Attack trivia, as the music used in that short was actually Dies Irae, not O Fortuna. Minty Fresh Death 21:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm also deleting The Hunt for Red October. The song in the movie is actually Hymn to the Red October.

[edit] Language

i ve heard that some part of it is in old dutch,is that true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.15.8.9 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 25 July 2006.

No. --FordPrefect42 19:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

YES, SOME PARTS ARE IN OLD DUTCH--190.22.102.198 00:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sources? --FordPrefect42 17:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aryan?

"Carmina Burana ... was embraced by the Nazi regime as a celebration of early Aryan culture, which it undoubtedly was."

I think it misguided to label Carmina Burana "a celebration of early Aryan culture"; it has very little to do with Indo-Iranians. Furthermore, the statement seems rather point of view; how is it such a celebration? Furthermore, I don't think an encyclopedia should use such a loaded (and inaccurate, in this context) term as "Aryan". If there is no objection I shall remove "which it undoubtedly was". Adso de Fimnu 03:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be clearer if it was worded something like "a celebration of the Nazi's perceptions of Aryan culture" David Underdown
I agree.--Atavi 18:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Staging

Is there evidence that the performances listed as exceptions under "staging" are notable? The forces mentioned are not (at least they don't have Wikipedia articles). I propose they be removed. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TEXT/VOCAL

Why are all the links either printed text or just the instrumentals? Shouldn't there be a site where they sing it and play it on the instruments?

[edit] Is Carmina Burana under the Public Domain?

If so, can we have a copy in the Commons?--Saoshyant talk / contribs (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 10:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Depends what you mean by Carmina Burana. Orff's music is almost certainly not PD, he didn't die until 1982 so presumably remains under copyright until 2053 (under current legislation). The original texts he sets however probably are since they date from mediaeval times, translations of these may be a different matter again. The texts would probably belong in wikisource, rather than directly in Commons. David Underdown 10:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I personally own a copywritten copy of the vocal score of "scenic contanta" Carmina Burana as published by Schott. Based upon the fact that the copyright for this is dated as 1996, I'd have to say that your chances of getting the music portion of this onto this site in the name of public domain is pretty much not going to happen (at least legally). However, the text, which has been around since the 13th centuries (+/- a few) should MORE than be within the limitations of public domain! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.165.129 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Alternate Orchestration

Carl Orff did reorchestrate Carmina Burana down to two pianos and percussion section. A good recording is the ABC Classics conducted by Antony Wlaker, with Cantillation. Should this be added to the page (I'm not familiar with editing wikipedia, and I'd probably botch it)?

JOATMON 04:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

How do I add sources which confirm some of the citations marked "citations needed" or "verification needed"? Gerrit Maas 16:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

See WP:CITE, don't worry too much about how to format it, so long as you get the info in in a recognisable form, e.g. title, publisher, ISBN, relevant page numbers for a book, url for a website, someone will tidy up the formatting if you don't quite get it right first off. David Underdown 20:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carmina Burana in popular culture

The list should really be heavily expanded and cited. --Is this fact...? 23:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Why? That would only result in more flotsam and jetsam (in other words, non-encyclopedic crap), just like all other "popular culture" lists here. I think what is needed is what another editor amusingly calls a "popculturectomy". +ILike2BeAnonymous 23:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carmina Burana in popular culture

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The music of Carmina Burana, particularly the bombastic parts of the "O Fortuna" movement, appears in numerous movies and commercials and has been covered and sampled by many bands.

  • "O Fortuna" was used by Ozzy Osbourne at a number of his live shows through since the mid 1980s.
  • "O Fortuna" was first introduced to mainstream media in John Boorman's 1981 film Excalibur. It enjoyed tremendous popularity among the public following the movie's release and was for a time thereafter frequently incorporated into various cinematic and musical works for dramatic effect (a practice that has since become clichéd and consequently is often parodied).
  • "O Fortuna" is played at all large events staged at the new Wembley Stadium.
  • Enigma sampled "O Fortuna" in their song "Modern Crusaders".
  • The opening segment of conservative talk show host Sean Hannity's radio program features slightly edited portions of "O Fortuna," immediately after the show's main theme ("Independence Day" by Martina McBride).
  • "Veris Leta Facies" is featured in a climactic scene from Paolo Pasolini's 1975 film Salo, playing on the radio as the Bishop whips and burns some of the victims.
  • "O Fortuna" is the music for the pre-game video intro of the University of Houston football team as well as the New England Patriots.
  • "O Fortuna" has been used numerous times on Late Night with Conan O'Brien as the background music to a sketch titled "evil puppy" concerning a satanically evil yellow Labrador puppy.
  • The introduction to "O Fortuna" is used in the British television music talent show The X Factor to introduce the judges at the start of the live shows.
  • The band Apotheosis (Composers Samoy & Rigaux) released the song "O Fortuna" that was sampled from the original "Carmina Burana" (Belgium, 1991). When the CD version was released Carl Orff's heirs banned it and all CD and record sales had to be stopped and withdrawn from stores.

Was part of Carmina used in the Disney movie Bambi? I think it may have been used during the ice skating scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajoyr (talk • contribs) 12:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Fortuna Wheel.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)