Talk:Carlisle Indian Industrial School
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[edit] Hyde article: where is the citation?
The first quotation in the article which has the footnote "2" cites the reference at the bottom that cites an article by Hyde from 1979 but it does not appear in the reference list. Was it deleted? 169.232.228.209 (talk) 02:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Moebius
[edit] Pratt "facts"?
The term Buffalo Soldiers was used AFTER the civil war. I check Buffalo Soldiers by Leikie and found references to Lt. Pratt. He did not seem to command a regiment, at best with his rank he might have commanded a company. In Sept 1874 Lt. Pratt was in command of a group of 40 Indian Scouts as part of a large operation out of Ft. Still by the 10th Cavalry. In 1874 Scouts were enlisted in the Army which does not make them soldiers for hire. On the other hand, non-native american scouts were civilian contractors which would qualify as mercenaries.
This pre Carlisle history of Pratt at first glance seems reasonable when it comes to who, when, where. http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/PP/fpr33.html
--Rcollman 13:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Something about the inclusion of the school in the miniseries Into the West should be mentioned
see title
[edit] Possible copyright violation
Prior to my edits today, the American Football section was substantially similar to http://www.andrewdabb.com/nafootball.pdf
The pdf, however, has footnotes for sources, while the setion in the article did not. Until I can find something more substantial either way, I am trimming this section to bare facts.
Prior to the edits, it read:
"In 1892, when the Carlisle Indian School fielded its first football team, no one could have predicted that, in less than ten years, the Indians would become one of the dominant college football powers in the nation. From 1899 to 1913, they regularly beat traditional powerhouses of the time like Harvard, Yale and Army, while producing no less than twenty-one All-American players. The Carlisle Indians (the name of the team, not a generalization about the school’s students) first organized to play football in 1892 against local high school teams. But a broken leg to one of the players in their first game led Richard Henry Pratt to disband the team, and they did not reform until 1894, at the request of a student group. Pratt had reinstated the school’s football program partly due to student demand and partly due to his own beliefs about the acculturation it could bring. To him, football represented the white American value system. It taught teamwork, sportsmanship, discipline and precision, traits a military man like Pratt held in high regard. It emphasized fitness and self-control, and it promoted the very American idea of “winning”. But by 1898 it was also bringing recognition to the school. Sportswriters around the country praised the Indians for their sportsmanship and good, clean play. For Pratt, the football team was a shining example of the success of the boarding school programs. The Indians were able to beat white teams because they themselves were becoming culturally white. He was making true on his promise to “Kill the Indian and save the man.” Carlisle was also benefiting monetarily from the team. The Indians were such a draw that schools like Harvard and Yale regularly paid the school purses of $5,000 to $15,000 for a game. This money was used to provide perks for the players and enhance aspects of the school. Because of all the good the team was doing for the school, Pratt sought to improve it, and that led him to bring in a new coach, "Pop" Warner, in 1899. Under Warner, the Carlisle Indians, led by Jim Thorpe, would reach their peak and become a national phenomenon and bring the school nationwide attention." Mdbrownmsw 18:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- Additional research finds more of the text from the first article was copied from http://home.epix.net/%7Elandis/histry.html
- All text from the first author of the article has been removed. Should resolve copyvio concerns.
- Mdbrownmsw 21:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Abuse
I have reverted a change to the abuse section back to: "Hundreds of children died at Carlisle.[5] While some died from diseases foreign to Native American’s immune systems (tuberculosis, pneumonia, smallpox, etc.) others died while attempting to escape from the school or from physical, emotional and sexual abuse or malnutrition"
The change had said that "Over a hundred died..." and "Most died from diseases...". This is probably due to a misreading of the source. The cemetary is said to have 175 graves and close to 150 died of diseases. However, of those who died, the source says, "most" were sent home for burial. So, the number that died, while unknown, is in excess of 350 (175 graves + over 176 ("most") sent home for burial). Mdbrownmsw 15:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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