Talk:Cardinal virtues

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[edit] In The Republic

- Where are these blatantly listed in the Republic? I'm writing a paper, and I can do the virtues in the city from Book IV, but where do they first appear? It seems to me that Plato refers to having established them in Book I, but it doesn't really look like he did it. Can anyone find the specific parts where he first establishes "courage, wisdom, moderation, justice"? - Darkhawk

[edit] A note from an email:

> Aquinas's philosophy, however, was a development of Aristotle's thinking > and not Plato's. It was Aristotle who formulated the virtues of the > Greek polis and disagreed with Plato. Aristotle had a major influence > on Aquinas when his works arrived in the medieval universities of Europe > and he refers to him as the 'Philosopher'.

Perhaps the article can be clarified to refelct this. +sj + 23:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

You're quite right that Aquinas is most directly indebted to Aristotle, but it is worth remembering that Aristotle is in turn indebted to Plato in various ways and that Aquinas is also indebted to Augustine, who, via the neo-Platonism of Porphyry of Tyros, is indebted to Plato. In any event, Aristotle does not discuss the Cardinal Virtues in any serious way, whereas Plato does, so for the purposes of this article Plato is, I think, the more relevant. I've added a specific reference to the Protagoras, but it does no more than list the virtues; I seem to recall a more detailed discussion in Republic, but I don't quite remember where it was. Hopefully someone else with a keener memeory can fill that in. RobinJ 19:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Hotham

I haven't reverted the last edit, but I think the tomb is that of the 2nd Baronet. AFCR 09:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)