Talk:Cardinal Mazarin

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Contents 1 Maria Mancini 2 Conspiracy! Louis XIV as Mazarin's bastard? 3 Jules Cardinal Mazarin? 4 To expand 5 Article name

[edit] Maria Mancini

Maria Mancini, mistress of King Louis XIV, looks exceptionally like a man to me - was Louis losing his grip in old age? Apart from that, it's a very pretty family tree. Deb 19:48, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Tssk. Maria Mancini was an early mistress of Louis XIV. In his old age, Louis XIV was morganatically married to Madame de Maintenon. David.Monniaux 10:50, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Those pictures are of Louis XIV and Charles II, not Maria and Hortense Mancini, I hope... john k 15:22, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy! Louis XIV as Mazarin's bastard?

Now we have this naive thought in the entry. Was this "rumor" even part of the "Widow Capet" gutter-pamphleteering in 1793? Did it appear anywhere before that? Or is this a just a modern suggestion from the Mary Magdalene groupies? --Wetman 18:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The article makes much of a gaming table flirtation between Marazin and the Queen. The link references the article on Marie de' Medici, who was the MOTHER of Louis XIII, and therefore Dowager queen of France when Marazin came to Paris as Richelieu's aide. Queen Marie died in 1642, one year before the regency for Louis XIV began. I shall amend the article --- Neal, 23 Aug 2006

[edit] Jules Cardinal Mazarin?

Shouldn't this be at Jules Cardinal Mazarin? john k 15:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't that bring it into line with conventional headings of other articles on cardinals? --Wetman 16:53, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It would. john k 17:03, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Could that be so bad? (i.e. any objections, gang?) --Wetman 19:25, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've moved it. john k 03:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] To expand

This article is very old-styled, and largely incomplete (especially for what concers Mazzarino's early years in Italy). I marked it with the "expand" template. Attilios

[edit] Article name

From WP:RM backlog:

• Cardinal Mazarin → Jules Mazarin. It is his real name, and it is more favourable to have as the title of a biography article the actual name of the person than his charge or title. Ralphloren171 (talk) 03:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Incomplete. If this is simply moved, Jules Cardinal Mazarin would be better, as the talk page supports; but Cardinal Mazarin, like Cardinal Richelieu is normal usage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

This request was incomplete and seems unlikely to gain consensus if relisted. I suggest discussion here before any more moves or move requests. Previous names are of course Jules Cardinal Mazarin and Jules Mazarin.

If relisting on WP:RM, please:

• Use the correct templates and procedure. Reversing a previous move should always be seen as potentially controversial. Note that there are three steps.

• Provide some reason for the move in terms of either:
  • Existing policy, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions.
  • Proposed policy change(s).

Any questions on this, feel free to comment on my talk page. Andrewa (talk) 18:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)